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CtDOT Fleet Plans - Coaches

Postby Rockingham Racer » Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:14 am

ApproachMedium wrote:I am curious if any of this stuff will make it to the NEC for demo as Jan the amfleet replacement RFP should be coming out.


Connecticut would do well to take a look. There's a tiff there with Amtrak over lack or equipment and denial of boarding AMtrak trains.
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Postby dowlingm » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:06 am

given CT's perpetual moaning about State finances (and a desire to keep a lid on the Hartford project's costs) isn't it more likely that they will be in the market for something like the MARC single levels or the San Joaquin Comets than something new/shiny?
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Postby Jenny on a M2 » Sun Dec 30, 2018 1:14 pm

Yup. Making a go of things with used non-electrified equipment is kinda our thing. Electric gear is a whole different story.

Also, if new equipment is going to happen you can bet it will be the same rolling stock as ordered for non-electrified MNR service (and probs on the same contract as an option as well).
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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL fka Nippon Sharyo Or

Postby mdvle » Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:06 pm

Backshophoss wrote:Siemen's order book is already full for now with the Amtrak Charger order, VIA's Corridor stock/Charger order, and the Caltrain/Midwest orders


It all comes down to how much capacity Siemens has vs the required time scale.

If Siemens bids there would be certain advantages that a large existing fleet of cars would bring to the table in maintenance inventory and training.
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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL fka Nippon Sharyo Or

Postby njt/mnrrbuff » Sun Dec 30, 2018 5:05 pm

Amtrak is also considering pursuing self propelled trainsets, probably for some of their state sponsored corridor routes. I think that is a good move, especially for routes like the Springfield Line and the Keystone Corridor, where many stops are very close to each other.

Many of the state sponsored corridor routes that operate as extension of NEC trains will most likely still be operating with Siemens cars so they will need Chargers to power them.
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Postby ApproachMedium » Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:19 pm

As long as CT rail is in bed with somebody over at the T in boston, they will continue to work out shady deals on getting junk cars. The MARC units were offered and passed up in favor for the garbage they run right now that should have been scrapped 10 years ago.
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Postby eolesen » Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:52 pm

What does the equipment used on the NEC or CT/PA sponsored trans have to do with the CA/Midwest consortium orders?... ;)
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Postby east point » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:03 am

If a reliable DMU could be acquired with sufficient effective HP per axel that exceeds a loco hauled train then the acceleration and consequently time keeping would be great. Of course if ridership keeps increasing the electrification of the route and then using CT DOT M-8s or similar would be called for in the future.
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Postby njt/mnrrbuff » Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:30 pm

On the East Coast, especially for Northeast Regional Trains, Amtrak is looking at replacing its Amfleet cars with Siemens.
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Postby Jenny on a M2 » Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:16 am

east point wrote:If a reliable DMU could be acquired with sufficient effective HP per axel that exceeds a loco hauled train then the acceleration and consequently time keeping would be great. Of course if ridership keeps increasing the electrification of the route and then using CT DOT M-8s or similar would be called for in the future.


Dude, forget about electrification and M8s - we'd be happy just to have dual-mode locomotives and rolling stock that can clear the third rail in GCT.

As much as the foaming fangirl in me squeals at the thought of electrification I simply just don't see it happening anytime soon regardless of ridership increases; we've got wayyyy too many bridges to replace on the New Haven Line first. Oh, and that whole pesky Hartford viaduct thing.

That said, I agree with eolesen 200% that this isn't the place to have this discussion...the MNR board is. Mods, would you support moving this discussion fork over to the Hartford Line thread or maybe even starting a new topic over there?
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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL fka Nippon Sharyo Or

Postby eolesen » Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:29 am

Based on economic gravity, I'd say the Amfleets being replaced with Siemens is a given. The only issue becomes one of how many manufacturing floors they want to try supporting.
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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL fka Nippon Sharyo Or

Postby daybeers » Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:52 pm

I highly doubt the New Haven-Springfield Line will ever be electrified: it's not worth it. What does need to get done, though, is Amtrak's finishing touches on the SLE tracks so they can run the M-8s because the current equipment is utter trash.
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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL fka Nippon Sharyo Or

Postby njt/mnrrbuff » Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:04 pm

The Springfield Line will never get electrified. There's probably no need for it to. I wouldn't be surprised if the state sponsored corridors out east use the Siemens cars and charger units. If Amtrak is going to buy them for LD trains as well as the state sponsored corridors in the Midwest and along the West Coast, then it wouldn't be a bad idea for Amtrak to buy their own Chargers for all of the diesel operations period. What I like about the Chargers is that they can accelerate well, unlike Genesis units.
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Postby David Benton » Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:35 pm

The case for electrification may change quite rapidly in the next few years, as high carbon pricing becomes more necessary.
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Postby Nasadowsk » Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:43 pm

daybeers wrote:I highly doubt the New Haven-Springfield Line will ever be electrified: it's not worth it.


njt/mnrrbuff wrote:The Springfield Line will never get electrified. There's probably no need for it to.


At 34 trains a day between Hartford and New Haven already, there's a good case for it. That's a few more a day than the Keystone Corridor. Only issue is the M-8s can't go faster than 100mph. There's nothing that says that CT has to buy M-8s, though, other than some economy of scale with maintenance (maybe).

David Benton wrote:The case for electrification may change quite rapidly in the next few years, as high carbon pricing becomes more necessary.


Widescale carbon taxes in the US won't happen until the day after the last nuclear plant closes. Otherwise, it would be a huge leg up for an industry the left absolutely despises.
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