Woodbury Common finally getting it's own Metro North station

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Woodbury Common finally getting it's own Metro North station

Postby Max Power » Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:11 pm

https://www.lohud.com/story/news/transi ... 367871002/

Gov. Andrew Cuomo wants you to be able to take the train to Woodbury Common.

At a speech at Marist College Thursday, the governor touted initiatives in his 2019 budget for the mid-Hudson Valley. One of those was an addendum on his already-announced traffic upgrades around the 250-plus store shopping complex in Central Valley: A Metro-North station.

"Whenever my daughters ask me to take them there, I come up with any excuse not to have to sit through that traffic," Cuomo said. "We are putting a Metro-North station at Woodbury Common. That way, you don't have to drive, you can take the train."


Port Jervis Line tracks are already nearby, running between the complex and the Thruway. A Metro-North station there would sit between the Harriman and Salisbury Mills-Cornwall stations.

The railroad said it was "pursing a review of the potential" for a public-private partnership to make the station happen.


Cuomo said 13 million people a year make the trip to Woodbury Common. Without a rail option, all the traffic snarls Orange County roads.

In December, he announced $150 million in traffic upgrades, including redesigning roads and traffic patterns plus cashless tolling at the nearby Harriman toll plaza, to keep everything moving more smoothly.

A train station would add another option for shoppers. The Port Jervis line terminates at Hoboken Terminal in New Jersey and stops at Secaucus Junction, allowing access from the city via PATH trains or NJ Transit.

Port Jervis trains make stops in Suffern and Sloatsburg.
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Postby SecaucusJunction » Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:43 pm

This was a no-brainer and should have been done years ago. Just needs better off peak service to give more flexibility to people going there.
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Postby R36 Combine Coach » Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:02 am

Would ShortLine object to the new station? Already, ShortLine has one-seat rides to Midtown, with express schedules, so likely faster than MNCR.
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Postby SouthernRailway » Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:31 pm

How much did Simon Properties (owner of Woodbury Common) contribute to Cuomo's campaign?

This should be determined and disclosed as part of this process.
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Postby njt/mnrrbuff » Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:40 pm

Let’s hope that this new station gets built. It’s not just for the sake of the outlet but the location is extremely close to several highways: 87, 17, and 6.
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Postby Backshophoss » Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:34 pm

This will turn into a "Park and Ride" type station,hopefully with a shuttle bus to the Mall.
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Postby GojiMet86 » Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:44 pm

SouthernRailway wrote:How much did Simon Properties (owner of Woodbury Common) contribute to Cuomo's campaign?

This should be determined and disclosed as part of this process.


$25,000.

https://www.politico.com/states/new-yor ... ors-108932


Cuomo attracts a new batch of big donors
By BILL MAHONEY 01/23/2017 05:41 AM EST

ALBANY — Most of the donors who helped Gov. Andrew Cuomo raise $4.4 millionover the past six months were familiar ones. Contributors like Brookfield Financial ($100,000 this filing period), Howard Milstein (who, with his family, gave $50,000) and Genting ($50,000) have all regularly appeared in the governor’s campaign finance reports in the past. But there were 20 donors who hadn’t previously given to Cuomo since he took office as governor in 2011 and gave $25,000 or more from mid-July through mid-January. Here’s a look at some of his newest contributors.
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DAVID SIMON ($25,000)
Simon is the CEO of Indianapolis real estate investment trust Simon Property Group, whose holdings include the Woodbury Commons outlet mall.


Nothing going on here, folks. Just your usual backdealings...
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Postby RRspatch » Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:51 am

Neat, the station should open just in time for the retail apocalypse to kill off the remaining malls -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retail_apocalypse

Well at least the huge parking lots can be used for commuter parking.
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Postby njt/mnrrbuff » Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:41 am

Yes, the concept of shopping malls in general are over, but it depends on the merchandise. I believe that for clothing stores, there will be many items that you might want to try on in the stores before buying anything. I am not sure if Woodbury Commons will be going away anytime soon since that is an outlet mall. As for the new station opening up commuter parking ideas-absolutely. There should be a lot of room to add parking spots, especially with the strong possibility of adding double track on the PJL as far as Moodna Viaduct which would lead to increased train service either east of Middletown or Salisbury Mills-Cornwall.

In terms of comparing the travel times on Shortline to NJT, the bus is a little faster in little or no traffic. Coach USA carded 60 minutes for multiple runs and if you take the train to Harriman Station from NYC(X-fer of course), your trip takes, on average, an hour and a quarter, so not a bad difference. If the new station gets built, it will probably take you an hour and seventeen minutes to get to Woodbury Commons by train from the city. Many Coach USA buses to Woodbury Commons from the city take an hour and ten minutes.
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Postby SecaucusJunction » Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:22 pm

Woodbury Commons is known worldwide. People visiting from the Far East will go there. A train station would be useful. Why stop there though? There are plenty of other destinations around the line that could be marketed to city dwellers. The Mayor of Port Jervis was just speaking about hiking and a new water park in that region. A new casino just opened in Monticello. Why not team up with MTA and have a hotel shuttle to Middletown? How about a shuttle/tram from Salisbury Mills to Stewart Airport. The line needs to not just be useful as a commuter only route.
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Postby njt/mnrrbuff » Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:55 pm

That would be nice for the casino to have shuttle buses running from Middletown Station. It all depends on the demand. Short Line runs a lot of buses to Monticello, I believe. Yes, I heard about the plan to build a water park in the Pt. Jervis area as well as more hiking options.

The PJL's target customers seem to be primarily commuters. That's not always a bad thing but what I don't like is how many of the current route's stations are in no mans land-good for commuters. Before passenger trains used the Graham Line, they stopped in downtown areas-i.e. Middletown(I mean actually in the downtown area). I don't know too much about Stewart to speak about shuttle service from Salisbury Mills but it is a good idea. I believe that there is a bus that runs during weekdays from Stewart Airport across the river to Beacon. It's possible that there are many people who live in and around Newburgh who would use the Hudson Line, instead of the PJL.
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Postby TDowling » Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:34 am

I doubt this will happen until the roads are reconfigured. Though it is great that cuomo wants this, the local community might again object as they did before.
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Postby SecaucusJunction » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:10 am

Cuomo wants a station there for the shoppers. Would roads need to be reconfigured just to put in a station that does not require an extra lot or a lot of commuters trying to get there? The tracks are a stones throw from the shopping center. I remember when I was young, I'd wander back there to the tracks while my parents were shopping, so it would easily be walkable.

If you want to discourage the use of the station for commuters, then just have all AM peak service skip the station and as most shoppers would be traveling reverse peak anyway. Then again, that 7 hour late afternoon to late evening gap in eastbound service would probably be the biggest issue with ridership.
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Postby njt/mnrrbuff » Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:51 am

Worst case scenario, if the new station doesn’t get built, then just increase the number of shuttle buses that run from the mall to Harriman Station. Yes, you can see the tracks from behind the eastern side of the mall. Discouraging the use of the station for commuters just for the sake of shoppers is not the answer.
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Postby CentralValleyRail » Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:28 am

SouthernRailway wrote:How much did Simon Properties (owner of Woodbury Common) contribute to Cuomo's campaign?

This should be determined and disclosed as part of this process.


I'm anti democrat but really? It's obvious as day that this needed to be done 20 years ago. $25K is chump change anyhow, that's not changing my lifestyle and especially not to someone like Cuomo.

While malls are closing, Woodbury Commons gross profit is up more now than ever. It is the most popular outlet mall in the USA. From an all around prospective (mall runs, commuter runs, weekend runs (with families dropping off loved ones at this location) Yes Harriman is close but it's 7-8 minutes each way further than this would be and it's serving a primary purpose already, given this will probably take 3 PLUS years double tracking will likely be under construction at that time, leading to hourly service to the commons.
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