M8's and Shore Line East

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M8's and Shore Line East

Postby Silverliner II » Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:27 pm

I have been video railfanning along Shore Line East for the past two weeks, and I have noticed something.

With all the talk of future operation of M8 trains on Shore Line East, I realized it will not be as simple as simply substituting the current push-pull equipment with MU's. Given that 4-car trains are the norm, and all four cars are open on the peak-direction trains, after watching how trains are spotted on the SLE platforms, it occurs to me that they will have to lengthen all SLE station platforms to fit 4 cars fully or be restricted to only opening doors on the head pair or rear pair of cars. Additionally, there would be a need to at least lengthen the Track 1 platforms at Guilford and the under-construction one at Branford) to at least allow two cars to platform to open doors.

I am wondering if CDOT has factored that cost into things if they still hope to operate M8's up the Shore Line.
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Re: M8's and Shore Line East

Postby DutchRailnut » Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:40 pm

after 4 years there are still no test trains run and ACSES still has not been tested, if anyone expects M-8's on SLE they have a very long wait.
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Re: M8's and Shore Line East

Postby MattW » Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:09 pm

But how long would that testing take? A few months to a year? This isn't new equipment, it's equipment in revenue service, just in a different area and new equipment testing seems to take less than a year if no major problems are found.
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Re: M8's and Shore Line East

Postby DutchRailnut » Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:13 am

read M-8 tread we have gone over this again and again.
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Re: M8's and Shore Line East

Postby Clean Cab » Sat Aug 23, 2014 10:22 pm

M8's have not been tested on the shoreline due to their not meeting Amtrak specifications (voltage transition, ACCESS compatibility & clearances). Rumor has it testing on the shoreline will happen "soon".
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Re: M8's and Shore Line East

Postby ebtmikado » Thu Aug 28, 2014 12:19 pm

The rail line is the Shore Line (2 words), as it has been for the past 160+ years.
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Re: M8's and Shore Line East

Postby nomis » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:18 am

Rail travel builds
http://www.theday.com/editorials/20141118/rail-travel-builds
However, six trains on weekdays and eight on weekends travel as far east as New London, accounting for roughly one-quarter of Shore Line East ridership on the weekends.

Service quality should improve in 2016 when the state Department of Transportation expects to begin using modern M-8 electric cars for Shore Line East, the same vehicles now used for the Metro North commuter service from western Connecticut to New York City. The local service now uses older, diesel engines.


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Re: M8's and Shore Line East

Postby Clean Cab » Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:05 pm

The most recent word on M8 testing on Shore Line East is it is still awaiting an a agreement and testing protocol that MN, CDOT and Amtrak can agree on. No one really knows when (if ever) they will be tested on the shore line.
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Re: M8's and Shore Line East

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:34 pm

Clean Cab wrote:still awaiting an agreement [snip]. . .that [snip]. . .can agree on.


That may be CDOT-tiest statement in the entire known universe. :wink:
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Re: M8's and Shore Line East

Postby Clean Cab » Wed Nov 19, 2014 6:49 am

I hope CDOT is not $tudying it too hard!!
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Re: M8's and Shore Line East

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:33 pm

Clean Cab wrote:I hope CDOT is not $tudying it too hard!!


Whoa, man...like, what if there was a CDOT study commissioned to study the CDOT study that's studying the CDOT study.

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Re: M8's and Shore Line East

Postby NH2060 » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:00 pm

Clean Cab wrote:The most recent word on M8 testing on Shore Line East is it is still awaiting an a agreement and testing protocol that MN, CDOT and Amtrak can agree on. No one really knows when (if ever) they will be tested on the shore line.

Sounds like a case of *ahem* "arrested development" ;-)
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Re: M8's and Shore Line East

Postby Travelsonic » Sun Nov 23, 2014 2:02 pm

Silverliner II wrote:With all the talk of future operation of M8 trains on Shore Line East, I realized it will not be as simple as simply substituting the current push-pull equipment with MU's. Given that 4-car trains are the norm, and all four cars are open on the peak-direction trains, after watching how trains are spotted on the SLE platforms, it occurs to me that they will have to lengthen all SLE station platforms to fit 4 cars fully or be restricted to only opening doors on the head pair or rear pair of cars.


I wonder, why, if they end up using 2 pairs of M8, would they not just use the last car in the first pair, and the first car in the last pair, and thus give passengers in both pairs the ability to get off without having to move from one complete pair to another (if that makes sense)? Issues with being able to spot that accurately and safely, something else, what? (I honestly have no idea, so this is an honest question)
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Re: M8's and Shore Line East

Postby Backshophoss » Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:12 pm

There's is a way to turn off Doors that are not on the platform,done at the door control panel.
Are there plans to install station stop markers like LIRR did? to help in spotting the train at the platform?
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Re: M8's and Shore Line East

Postby Train322 » Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:26 pm

What would be the shortest train length for SLE?
With the heavy demand west of New Haven, can they simply run two car trains?

Would it make sense to reduce the current four car SLE trains to three or two to save on wear and tear, fuel and such?

Also, what needs to be done to use M8's for SLE?

Testing?
Wire at Guilford?
New London platforms?

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