WALK Bridge South Norwalk (Replacement, Status, etc.)

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Re: WALK Bridge South Norwalk (Replacement, Status, etc.)

Postby Jeff Smith » Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:47 am

Uh. Oh: TheHour.com

Suit challenges Walk Bridge plan in federal court
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“The wrongful, inadequate NEPA analyses performed by the Defendants in selecting a bridge design failed to consider the reasonable alternative of a fixed bridge at the level of the existing bridge … which would promote resiliency, shorten construction time, significantly reduce construction costs, and otherwise reduce environmental impacts,” reads the lawsuit. “As such, the FONSI and ROD which rely on these inadequate analyses are invalid.”
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Mayor Harry Rilling said he would look into the lawsuit, but expressed doubt that a fixed bridge is a reasonable alternative given costs, construction length and the age of the existing Walk Bridge.

“They (the DOT) did, as far as I know, weigh the alternatives of a fixed bridge and found it would not reduce time,” Rilling said. “It might take longer and it probably wouldn’t save as much money as people are saying it would. And they can’t leave that bridge in place and just close it. It’s a 124-year old structure that’s on pilings.”
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“What we favor, and what is clearly in the public interest, is for the state to fully consider an existing height fixed bridge option, which costs less, is less disruptive, is less vulnerable to severe weather and future failures to close, and is more practical in every way,” said Penna.

Penna is co-owner of A.J. Penna & Son Excavating Contractors, which was forced by the DOT last year to leave its property on Goldstein Place to create staging space for the bridge replacement. The DOT helped the business find a new home at the old National Guard Armory on New Canaan Avenue.
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Re: WALK Bridge South Norwalk (Replacement, Status, etc.)

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:07 pm

Wow...frivolous much? Given that there's a whole bunch of maritime regs governing navigability of the river a fixed bridge can't be at the same level without violating a bunch of other laws. So either the suit challenges the maritime regs in tandem as part of its nebulous environmental argument, or it's barking up the wrong tree entirely. Sad that somebody's trying to chew resources with an "Operation Chaos" of any kind, but it really shouldn't take much to dismiss this as utterly baseless.
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Re: WALK Bridge South Norwalk (Replacement, Status, etc.)

Postby Backshophoss » Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:27 pm

Figure on a barge customer and a bunch of sailboat owners against a fixed span replacement!
Guess the "Harbor Keepers" forgot about them! :( :(
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Re: WALK Bridge South Norwalk (Replacement, Status, etc.)

Postby DutchRailnut » Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:42 pm

a fixed span would have a lot more clearance compared to todays bridge , but it would restrict harbor to smaller yachts and a Tugboat with retracting mast.

current bridge https://www.nancyonnorwalk.com/wp-conte ... 14-029.jpg

possible fixed span type : https://www.johnweeks.com/river_missour ... ioux07.jpg
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Re: WALK Bridge South Norwalk (Replacement, Status, etc.)

Postby Jeff Smith » Tue May 01, 2018 1:26 pm

https://www.thehour.com/news/article/DO ... 875691.php

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The DOT plans to begin replacing the Walk Bridge in 2019 and raze the existing IMAX Theater at the south end of the aquarium campus to creating staging space for the project. The bridge bisects the aquarium.

Aquarium and DOT officials on Monday spoke only generally about the agreement without delving into dollars.
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The Walk Bridge, which carries approximately 125,000 passengers daily over the Norwalk River, has experienced repeated operational failures, is vulnerable to storm surges and has outlived its 100-year life span, according to the DOT.

After studying various alternatives, the department has selected a 240-foot, vertical-life structure as its chosen replacement for the existing bridge. The estimated $1 billion project is expected to take four to five years to complete. Related track and signal upgrades already have started.
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Re: WALK Bridge South Norwalk (Replacement, Status, etc.)

Postby Jeff Smith » Mon May 14, 2018 10:00 am

Any word on if CtDOT (or anyone else) fund an upgrade of the Maybrook from Derby to Danbury to handle either the Tilcon traffic, the stone train, or both while they're replacing WALK?
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Re: WALK Bridge South Norwalk (Replacement, Status, etc.)

Postby DutchRailnut » Mon May 14, 2018 6:20 pm

Why would CDOT spend money on a private railroad, without getting anything for it ???
HRRC has done nothing for CDOT and basically on multiple occasions told CDOT to shove it.....
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Re: WALK Bridge South Norwalk (Replacement, Status, etc.)

Postby Jeff Smith » Tue May 15, 2018 8:11 am

I agree with the sentiment. Believe me. But operational necessity? And yeah, it would be a LONG detour.
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Re: WALK Bridge South Norwalk (Replacement, Status, etc.)

Postby Ridgefielder » Thu May 17, 2018 11:19 am

Wouldn't really be a detour. Quite the opposite- it's more direct, and eliminates a reverse move at South Norwalk. I think P&W would much rather operate via their trackage rights through Derby and Newtown rather than go around the horn through Norwalk.
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Re: WALK Bridge South Norwalk (Replacement, Status, etc.)

Postby Jeff Smith » Thu May 17, 2018 11:24 am

Indeed; the wyes are all set up perfectly, from Derby to Berkshire and around the loop at Danbury. I was more thinking of the Stone Train down to Oak Point, though. It would be longer, but without backing moves, as noted above.
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Re: WALK Bridge South Norwalk (Replacement, Status, etc.)

Postby Ridgefielder » Thu May 17, 2018 11:34 am

Jeff Smith wrote:Indeed; the wyes are all set up perfectly, from Derby to Berkshire and around the loop at Danbury. I was more thinking of the Stone Train down to Oak Point, though. It would be longer, but without backing moves, as noted above.

Ah, ok. I thought you were talking about the Danbury stone train that operates from Reed's Gap to the Tilcon plant off Federal Road just south of I-84.

A re-routed Oak Point stone train (and presumably the CSX locals, too?) would put more freight on the Danbury Branch than there's been in probably 50+ years.
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