Wassup With Commuter Rail To Fall River/New Bedford?

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Wassup With Commuter Rail To Fall River/New Bedford?

Postby hebron_hapt » Fri Jan 14, 2005 7:28 pm

Is this dead? If so, what killed it?
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Postby jrc520 » Fri Jan 14, 2005 7:50 pm

Yes, it's dead. Killed by a shotgun round. Made quite a good roast. good for soup if you do it right.


:P


Sorry, I'm in a silly mood :-D


the real answer: might as well be, for the lack of progress. Search the forum for more info
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Postby CSX Conductor » Fri Jan 14, 2005 8:09 pm

I had heard differently :-)
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Postby MBTA F40PH-2C 1050 » Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:02 am

if i was a billionare, i would give the T some money to make progress on the NB/FR line :-D
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Postby pdxstreetcar » Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:52 am

Wasnt it going to cost something like $500-600 million? How does a restoring two in-service branch lines and adding a few minimal stations cost that much?
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Postby Noel Weaver » Sat Jan 15, 2005 1:12 pm

It will cost big time to restore the two lines to Fall River and New Bedford.
Both are listed in the current timetable as 10 MPH track and portions are
"Excepted Track" as well. They were require all new everything to be
brought up to passenger train standards. A modern signal system will also
need to be put into service.
Even bigger is the problem of how to access this remaining trackage with
the trackage out of Boston. In my opinion, it would probably make the
most sense to put a link in at Cotley Junction to access the line from
Cotley Junction to Middleboro eastbound. This would be a lot cheaper
than to try to build a new line where the old route use to travel through
North Easton and on to Stoughton. If they press to use this run, the
NIMBY's could tie them up in court for years.
Another obstacle if they do choose the Middleboro route is capacity
especially between Boston and Braintree where a second track is
desparately needed in sections. Guess it could be done but at a HUGE
expense. I don't even know at this point if there is any room at Cotley
Junction for a wye anymore or not.
It is a good idea but there will be no easy nor cheap way to accomplish
this job.
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Postby ithjames » Sat Jan 15, 2005 6:17 pm

Yup, It's pretty evident that this project is dead
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Postby Rockingham Racer » Sat Jan 15, 2005 6:34 pm

Never heard of Cotley Jct.; where is it?
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Not Dead...Life Support Is A Wonderful Thing

Postby GP40MC1118 » Sat Jan 15, 2005 6:39 pm

NB/FR is not dead. Both cities are still pushing for it, as well as
the regional economic developement organization. This project is
needed, despite what Easton/Raynham says. Money is a problem
though and the longer the delays, the more it will cost. I'm sure
the foes of this project are keenly aware of that. I still remember
attending a NB City Council meeting where the former Easton
Town administrator Kevin Paicos flatly told them they may get
their rail, but we will fight you for the next 30 years.

The only logical route is via Cotely/Raynham/Easton/Stoughton.
More passengers. No brainer. If this were ever to be routed via
Middleboro, then I wouldn't bother. That line is too congested and
with Greenbush - even worse. Plus you would miss the giganitic
ridership potential of Raynham/Taunton, as well as the NB/FR
sprawl south of RT495.

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Postby CSX Conductor » Sat Jan 15, 2005 10:10 pm

pdxstreetcar wrote: How does a restoring two in-service branch lines and adding a few minimal stations cost that much?


Hahaha, apparently you have never seen these lines..........last time I rode the Fall River Secondary, the rocking motion made it very hard to fight falling asleep. :P
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Re: Not Dead...Life Support Is A Wonderful Thing

Postby Noel Weaver » Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:32 pm

GP40MC1118 wrote:NB/FR is not dead. Both cities are still pushing for it, as well as
the regional economic developement organization. This project is
needed, despite what Easton/Raynham says. Money is a problem
though and the longer the delays, the more it will cost. I'm sure
the foes of this project are keenly aware of that. I still remember
attending a NB City Council meeting where the former Easton
Town administrator Kevin Paicos flatly told them they may get
their rail, but we will fight you for the next 30 years.

The only logical route is via Cotely/Raynham/Easton/Stoughton.
More passengers. No brainer. If this were ever to be routed via
Middleboro, then I wouldn't bother. That line is too congested and
with Greenbush - even worse. Plus you would miss the giganitic
ridership potential of Raynham/Taunton, as well as the NB/FR
sprawl south of RT495.

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It might not be dead but I would say it might well be running on "life support". Don't get me wrong, I would love to see this happen. I just
don't think it will be on the ideal route, too much expense and too many
NIMBY problems. It is really sad when a few can seriously delay or stop a
project that will clearly benefit a majority.
There is no reason that a station somewhere near Cotley Junction could
not serve Taunton.
As I posted previous, double track would be needed at least as far as
South Braintree. Probably possible but at a big cost.
The most important thing is getting service back to New Bedford and Fall
River, the actual route is not nearly as important as long as there is
enough track capacity to handle the traffic.
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Postby pdxstreetcar » Sun Jan 16, 2005 12:17 am

Assuming the line gets built to Fall River, is there much of a chance that it could be extended it all the way down to Newport, RI? I have heard rumors of this or is this completely out of the question? I know the bridge off Aquidneck Island is in poor shape to say the least. I would really love to see MBTA trains pulling into Newport as I used to live there.

After hearing that the FR/NB project was on then off then on then off etc. I stopped following it, but am very much interested in seeing it happen.
I wish the T had the power to stick it to Easton and just built it through there.
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Postby pdxstreetcar » Sun Jan 16, 2005 12:54 am

Here's some recent news links from Fall River regarding the rail project:

Commuter rail group to look at effects of growth Jan. 10, 2005

Canessa to fight for rail Jan. 9, 2005

Rail money earmarked Aug. 12, 2004
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Postby Ken W2KB » Sun Jan 16, 2005 4:34 pm

The Sakonnet River bridge is slated to be removed as a hazard to navigation, last I read a few months ago. That said, rather than replacing the parallel vehicular bridge, I would think that a new rail bridge and exentsive repairs to the vehicular bridge would make sense.
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Coteley Jct / Taunton Station

Postby GP40MC1118 » Sun Jan 16, 2005 5:53 pm

Cotely Jct is located in the RT 140 Industrial Park on the north side of the
junction of RT 24 and RT 140. It's a walk in for the most part, though
there is some sort of access road from Quebicor's (old Rand Whitney) property.

Plain Street, south of the junction with Hart Street parallels the mainline
towards Myricks as far at Cotely Jct itself. Hart Street grade crossing is the
north end of Cotely Jct passing siding.

As far as a Taunton station for a routing via Middleboro, There's not
much left between East Taunton and Cotely big enough for a large
station as planned at Cotely. Traffic is so horrendous now at RT140/24,
I couldn't imagine something going in around Stevens Street.

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