Headlights on rear Red Line cars

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Headlights on rear Red Line cars

Postby CSX Conductor » Sat Jan 08, 2005 10:46 pm

I always wondered, but forgot to post, why the Red Line cars (1500, 1600, 1700 style) have headlights on the rear-end.

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Postby Robert Paniagua » Sat Jan 08, 2005 11:19 pm

the 01500s were because of being single units back in the mid-80s from the start, until they were turned into married pairs in the late 80s.

The 01700s, since they had a "Hostler" gear bar to have motion control from that "B" end of that car and use it as a single unit.

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Re: Headlights on rear Red Line cars

Postby efin98 » Sat Jan 08, 2005 11:56 pm

CSX Conductor wrote:I always wondered, but forgot to post, why the Red Line cars (1500, 1600, 1700 style) have headlights on the rear-end.

Anybody?


what do you mean by rear end? you mean between the permanently joined cars?
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Postby jwhite07 » Sun Jan 09, 2005 8:51 am

Yes he does. And it's true, look between the "blind" ends of some Red Line cars and you'll see headlights. As Robert mentioned, 01500s and 01700s are technically single units even though they're semi-permanently coupled in pairs and operate as though they're married pairs.

01600s (and 01800s) are true married pairs - because some of the critical componentry is shared between the two cars, one car can't operate independently of the other one. Can't recall off the top of my head if 01600s don't have blind-end headlights as a result, but I'm pretty certain 01800s do not.
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Postby efin98 » Sun Jan 09, 2005 5:39 pm

I see, never even bother to look between the trains so I'd never know they existed at all- not even on the 1500s post overhaul...
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Postby octr202 » Mon Jan 10, 2005 12:02 pm

The 01800's do not have any lights of any kind on the blind ends. I looked this morning on my way to work. :-)
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Postby Robert Paniagua » Mon Jan 10, 2005 12:06 pm

and neither did the 01400s. Never had headlights.
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Postby CRail » Mon Jan 10, 2005 12:06 pm

How would that work? Would there be another operator communicating to the motorman in the cab like they do when backing amtrak trains into south station?
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Postby CSX Conductor » Mon Jan 10, 2005 1:12 pm

Saw the 01700/01701 setlast night, no rear lights, however the 01500series set attached to them had the headlights & markers. :wink:
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Postby jwhite07 » Mon Jan 10, 2005 1:13 pm

Look a little closer at your own profile picture, Robert. You'll see that the 01400s did indeed have headlights!

If I recall correctly, the big dual sealed-beam lights above the roll signs were not original equipment, but were installed around the time the South Shore Extension to Quincy and Braintree was opened. Still, they were there for a good portion of the 01400 fleet's service life.
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Postby CSX Conductor » Mon Jan 10, 2005 1:15 pm

octr202 wrote:The 01800's do not have any lights of any kind on the blind ends. I looked this morning on my way to work. :-)


Jonathon, I believe Robert was referring to rear or blind end headlights since he said that right after the above quote was made. :wink:
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Postby jwhite07 » Mon Jan 10, 2005 1:26 pm

Yeah, I figured that's what he meant, but that's not exactly what he wrote...
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Postby CRail » Mon Jan 10, 2005 1:34 pm

The relationship between meant and wrote is very important.
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Postby typesix » Mon Jan 10, 2005 3:18 pm

Yes, the 01400s as-built did not have headlights.
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Postby octr202 » Mon Jan 10, 2005 3:31 pm

I take it that the unusual (to someone who wasn't born and raised here) Boston practice of having red marker lights on all the time, on both ends of the train, is a holdover from the days when there were no headlights? To this day it seems strange to me to see a train entering a station with nothing but red lights on the front...no green or white marker lights or dimmed headlights...
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