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Rumor du jour: Electric Engines

Postby Diverging Route » Sat Jan 08, 2005 8:31 pm

An MBCR engineer friend of mine, with high seniority and very good connectons, says that the MBTA is now talking about buying electric engines for the Attleboro/Providence route.

This has been discussed on this forum before, and I have been skeptical up until now. But I have good faith in my source, that at least it's being considered.

When/if the Old Colony gets going, and additional Providence and Worcester service is approved, the T will need more power.

The pros: faster acceleration, environmentally friendly (no fumes, noise).

The cons: Different maintenance, different training, inability to easily swap equipment between lines.

But I'm all for it if can happen...
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Postby CSX Conductor » Sat Jan 08, 2005 10:22 pm

Since one good thing about the MBTA is it's consistency on power, I would assume that they will go diesel again.

Although some ALP-46's would be nice. :-)
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Postby ST214 » Sat Jan 08, 2005 10:33 pm

And with the MBTA's consistency on screwing things up, i'm sure they will get loco's that don't work.
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Postby pdxstreetcar » Sat Jan 08, 2005 10:36 pm

How would electric locos factor in with the TF Green Airport extension? Dont they have to build some long sidings?
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Postby CSX Conductor » Sat Jan 08, 2005 10:48 pm

Since they would have to install new sidings, they would probably electrify them. At least one wuld think they would do that.
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Postby MBTA F40PH-2C 1050 » Sun Jan 09, 2005 9:20 am

what types of electrics would the T most likely get? HHP-8's or what CSX said, ALP-46's

are there any other electric engines for passenger service in the U.S, other than the AEM-7?
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Postby octr202 » Sun Jan 09, 2005 10:18 am

While I'd still be skeptical of the T getting electrics (it just doesn't make economic/operational sense for one line), they are under a lot of pressure to improve their environmental record. Witness the new buses, the conversion to ULSD for buses and locomotives, etc. Operationally, there's no reason to go with electrics, but there may be more pressing political reasons that might bring us a purple and silver toaster of some kind.

Plus -- with the way SEPTA's going, there might be some AEM7's and an ALP44 on the market -- slightly used -- soon! :wink:
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Postby MBTA F40PH-2C 1050 » Sun Jan 09, 2005 10:28 am

with the money problems that they are having, i don't think we will be seeing any electrics in T paint scheme for a long time
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Postby pdxstreetcar » Sun Jan 09, 2005 2:15 pm

MBTA and CalTrain might want to team up on an electric locomotive. Although CalTrain wont need them for at least 7-10 years (but maybe in reality the T wont either)
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Postby CSX Conductor » Mon Jan 10, 2005 9:49 am

octr202 wrote:they are under a lot of pressure to improve their environmental record. Witness the new buses, the conversion to ULSD for buses and locomotives, etc.


Maybe they could buy some of the new battery operated locomotives that CSXT is experimenting with.
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Postby CRail » Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:02 am

Just a guess, i would think they would buy some old AEM-7's from Amtrak, or maybe rebuild some E-60's. HHP-8s, i would think, are way out of the budget for the T. How long befor the first purchace do you think if they go for it?
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Postby CSX Conductor » Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:05 am

I don't believe that Amtral has any surplus electrics right now anyway, so they won't be sending any AEM-7's our way anytime soon.

As far as I know all of the E60's were sent to the scrapyard, except fo one or two that were preserved by a museum.
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Postby CRail » Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:18 am

are aem-7's still in production?

ok i guess they wont be toasters, but im not sure they'll go for it anyway
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Postby jwhite07 » Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:24 am

No, AEM-7s are not still in production. Nor, apparently, are their successors, the ALP-44.

If the T does decide to get electric locomotives (which is highly unlikely for reasons discussed here at length in the past), they probably would be some Americanized derivative of a European design... not even necessarily HHP-8s or ALP46s!
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Postby octr202 » Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:26 am

Its true -- by the time any electrics might get ordered, the ALP46 will probably be "Out of Production," forcing a new design.

We all know this won't happen -- except under one very specific scenario. IF (and this is a big if) there is serious political pressure to make a new environmental committment by the state, there's a chance they could happen. A handful of flashy purple and silver. high-tech looking electirc engines would buy a nice piece of "look at me, I'm saving our air" for state politicians, regardless of just how practical they are.

After all, its politics...no one said it has to make sense! :wink:
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