Tunnel Turned Into Safety Training Facility

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Re: Tunnel Turned Into Safety Training Facility

Postby jr145 » Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:02 pm

StevieC48 wrote:They opend the facility today and from the photos looks great.



Where are the photos?
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Re: Tunnel Turned Into Safety Training Facility

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:36 pm

jr145 wrote:
StevieC48 wrote:They opend the facility today and from the photos looks great.



Where are the photos?


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That's dry ice on the tracks simulating the smoke. And I'm going to guess some sort of propane fireplace contraption on the stairs.
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Re: Tunnel Turned Into Safety Training Facility

Postby jr145 » Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:53 pm

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Re: Tunnel Turned Into Safety Training Facility

Postby joshg1 » Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:11 pm

What happens if a train isn't in a station? Or a flood? It seems they won't be training for any accident (as opposed to deliberate) beyond a fire.
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Re: Tunnel Turned Into Safety Training Facility

Postby wicked » Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:03 pm

There is non-revenue track that can be used for training scenarios.

You can't close off a station for a training exercise during business hours (or even non-business hours).
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Re: Tunnel Turned Into Safety Training Facility

Postby jr145 » Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:42 pm

joshg1 wrote:What happens if a train isn't in a station? Or a flood? It seems they won't be training for any accident (as opposed to deliberate) beyond a fire.



It's also a police and EMS training facility.
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Re: Tunnel Turned Into Safety Training Facility

Postby TrainManTy » Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:54 pm

jr145 wrote:Found this video, it's a TV

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/0 ... story.html


That's closer, but it's actually a fire extinguisher training module.
http://bullex.com/product/bullseye-publiceducation/

Here's another photo showing the station with only the "emergency lighting" lit up.
http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/2013/06/12/mbta-unveils-new-underground-police-training-facility/

If the scenario doesn't take place in a station, the platform lights can be shut off. Deliberate incidents (terror, active shooter situations) are a major theme especially considering the events at the Marathon (and the bombings in London and Madrid), but so is evacuation. There's a Stryker evacuation chair and stairs and the Light Rail Training area uses a Type 8 shell specifically because that's where a wheelchair user would ride.

The facility will also used by the T's accessibility department to teach riders with physical disabilities how to ride the system.
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Re: Tunnel Turned Into Safety Training Facility

Postby djimpact1 » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:23 am

F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:That's dry ice on the tracks simulating the smoke. And I'm going to guess some sort of propane fireplace contraption on the stairs.


F-Line, I believe they're actually using simple fog machines (which any nightclub/DJ uses). Static fog machines are pretty self-maintaining. The liquid needed to fill them is cheap and typically available at many party/DJ stores.

I very highly doubt they'd use dry ice as 1) the T would have to constantly replenish it from a delivery source every time dry ice was needed for training use (as it dissipates over a few hours when left at ambient temperature) & 2) a mass of dry ice vapors can displace oxygen when breathed in...though it needs to be heavy & constant, I don't think it would be looked highly upon having these vapors always surrounding those breathing it in.

(from someone who works with dry ice & liquid nitrogen on a daily basis)
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Re: Tunnel Turned Into Safety Training Facility

Postby djimpact1 » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:31 am

TrainManTy wrote:...the Light Rail Training area uses a Type 8 shell specifically because that's where a wheelchair user would ride.


That's one part of it...another reason is that this car (3879) was already out-of-service due to heavy derailment/fire damaged sustained at Comm Ave. in May '08. The T did enough repairs on it to make it usable for the training facility.
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Re: Tunnel Turned Into Safety Training Facility

Postby 3rdrail » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:29 am

joshg1 wrote:What happens if a train isn't in a station? Or a flood? It seems they won't be training for any accident (as opposed to deliberate) beyond a fire.

The bus, streetcar, and r/t car are permanently installed at their location. they don't move nor is this section of the Broadway Tunnel equipped to interface with anything else in the system.
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Re: Tunnel Turned Into Safety Training Facility

Postby joshg1 » Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:06 pm

I was thinking "how to evacuate a train in between stations." If the emergency services can train for that in a regular tunnel after hours, then never mind.
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Re: Tunnel Turned Into Safety Training Facility

Postby BostonUrbEx » Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:30 pm

As I noted on UniversalHub, it looks like they put alot of work into the 0600s. No rust, new paint, a new rollsign which even reads "Training Center"... Interesting!
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Re: Tunnel Turned Into Safety Training Facility

Postby The EGE » Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:36 pm

From an outbound Fairmount Line train:

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Re: Tunnel Turned Into Safety Training Facility

Postby Charliemta » Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:03 pm

It would be pretty easy to run track from the Cabot Yard into the test tunnel. They could easily temporarily block off the street when cars were using such a connector track.
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Re: Tunnel Turned Into Safety Training Facility

Postby TrainManTy » Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:43 am

Charliemta wrote:It would be pretty easy to run track from the Cabot Yard into the test tunnel. They could easily temporarily block off the street when cars were using such a connector track.


The tunnel isn't tall enough for almost any piece of rail equipment on the MBTA system. Both the Blue Line 0600s and the Green Line Type 8 in the tunnel had their underframes and trucks removed to fit in the tunnel, and had to be dragged in on special small-diameter (road) wheels. The Blue Line car at its new height almost looks like London tube stock. Nothing on the Red Line - save for MOW flatcars and maybe the diesel switcher - would fit in the tunnel without being lifted off its trucks, of course negating the idea of running track into the tunnel.
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