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Re: Fenway Center / Yawkey Station Discussion

Postby The EGE » Tue May 14, 2013 1:27 pm

Great shots!

The Fenway Center has finally been approved. This image shows what the overbuild will look like.
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Re: Fenway Center / Yawkey Station Discussion

Postby jamesinclair » Tue May 14, 2013 4:28 pm

If there is a bridge for ADA, why the stairs?
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Re: Fenway Center / Yawkey Station Discussion

Postby diburning » Tue May 14, 2013 5:51 pm

The bridges are temporary as track 2 was taken out for the construction.
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Re: Fenway Center / Yawkey Station Discussion

Postby The EGE » Tue May 14, 2013 5:55 pm

jamesinclair wrote:If there is a bridge for ADA, why the stairs?


I honestly have no idea why there's a pedestrian bridge with stairs for the temporary setup. Perhaps to be used once Track 2 is restored.
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Re: Fenway Center / Yawkey Station Discussion

Postby diburning » Wed May 15, 2013 4:34 pm

The bridge with the stairs look permanent. The bridges at platform level are temporary as they are located where track 2 would occupy. The bridges at platform level are temporary and exist for the purpose of ADA access. They will be removed when track 2 is put back in since they are at platform level.
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Re: Fenway Center / Yawkey Station Discussion

Postby The EGE » Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:31 pm

Yawkey station, July 4th. Not a lot of progress in the last 2 months, but the concrete is slowly going up.

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Re: Fenway Center / Yawkey Station Discussion

Postby The EGE » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:09 pm

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Re: Fenway Center / Yawkey Station Discussion

Postby The EGE » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:48 pm

The MBTA is claiming that it'll be done this fall. I suspect we might see Yawkey completed + second Beacon Park main + increased Worcester service (promised for fall) + possible speed increases + new locomotives all fall into place right around October. If they can take all that and run with it, we might see some interesting things.

If they can fill the gap between P502 and P504, then we start getting pretty good frequency coming into downtown at the morning rush. Same for P525 and P583 outbound in the evening. If all of those trains are stopping at Yawkey, then suddenly that 11-minute ride to South Station looks a lot more attractive than the overcrowded,perpetually jammed Green Line.

With two tracks everywhere but Worcester station, perhaps they can start finding more inventive scheduling than all-stops locals and barely-better semi-expresses. I mean, at least have rush hours be matched Worcester semi-expresses and Framingham locals like every civilized commuter system has - no more of these 1:40 all stops locals at the peak of the peak. Then maybe they'll break out of their rigid mindset and start doing the Caltrain thing with skip-stops and other real express trains. The T has a real problem with thinking frequency the end-all-be-all; until you've reached some degree of saturation like the New Haven Line has, though, quicker trips will add much more ridership than a couple extra locals will.

It's going to be interesting how they all plays out once they start uncorking the first bottlenecks like Yawkey here. Other than the Lowell Line, the Worcester Line is the best shot the T has for an explosive ridership growth. The Metrowest is very similar to the Providence Line corridor that pulls 13,000 riders into 5 stops between Sharon and Providence.
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Re: Fenway Center / Yawkey Station Discussion

Postby The EGE » Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:16 am

Something's finally lit a fire under the T - perhaps the realization that "fall 2013" is becoming awfully close. Since I was last around in late July, the pedestrian bridge has been lifted into place, along with some of the roof supports. Supports for the stairway roofs, as well as glass panels in the elevator shafts, are also now in place. It's starting to look a lot like the renderings.

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Re: Fenway Center / Yawkey Station Discussion

Postby GE45tonner » Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:46 am

So from what I read, it seems like after this is built the Worcester line will have mostly 79mph running? Is this correct?
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Re: Fenway Center / Yawkey Station Discussion

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Tue Aug 20, 2013 11:02 am

GE45tonner wrote:So from what I read, it seems like after this is built the Worcester line will have mostly 79mph running? Is this correct?


No. The ABS signal system east of Framingham can't currently support >60 MPH. It has to be wholly ripped out and replaced with a new cab signal system to bump the speed on the east half. But that has to happen anyway because the ACSES PTC system the T has committed to requires a cab signal base to work, and these current east-of-Framingham signals can't be retrofitted in-place with cabs and ACSES layers like some of the other wayside-only lines on the system. Has to be a total replacement.

West of Framingham all the way to Albany it is 100% cab signals, and removing CSX from the picture does allow an immediate increase to 79 MPH once they fully inspect the track and trackbed to fix any substandard maintenance. Plus a pretty easy and inexpensive PTC installation when the time comes. They already started spreading new ballast out there within a few days of CSX handing over dispatching, so they're moving rapidly. I don't know if there are any sub-Class 4 spec switches and crossovers between Worcester and Framingham that would need to be upgraded before the track class can formally get bumped up, but that is probably the only hardware replacement they'd have to check for before getting the greenlight to raise speeds. And it's pretty negligible to fix. 79 west of Framingham will make a large schedule difference and on-time performance difference because the stop spacing out there is wide enough to hit full track speed between most intermediate stops.

Yawkey's completion returns the line to full 2-track capacity east of Beacon Park. And if they lay the 2nd track section through Beacon Park simultaneous with the 2nd Yawkey track's reopening...get a sizeable capacity boost everywhere for running more trains. And a little more schedule resiliency from delays. There's minor signs of activity around BP where that second mainline track would go, although nothing confirmed that construction is imminent. It would be a pretty fast job if they got going in earnest, so it's entirely possible they can blitz that in a few weeks in Sept. or Oct. and be ready for Nov. when the 2nd Yawkey track is scheduled to return to service.
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Re: Fenway Center / Yawkey Station Discussion

Postby BostonUrbEx » Tue Aug 20, 2013 1:19 pm

I like how the stairway creates a big choke point where it takes up 75% of the westbound platform. Brilliant.
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Re: Fenway Center / Yawkey Station Discussion

Postby BandA » Sat Aug 31, 2013 4:02 pm

They've been working on the signals through Newton; Telegraph poles & wires removed, all cabinets and signals freshly painted in aluminum paint. And back in April MBCR working in the cabinet at MP ~8.4 on the Saturday before Easter. Are they prepping to upgrade the signals, or planning to keep the old ones going for the next 5 years? Meanwhile, they have been filling cracks in the circa 1962 low platforms. Why spend any money on platforms that need to be replaced? Unless you don't plan to do anything further for the next few years.
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Re: Fenway Center / Yawkey Station Discussion

Postby Komarovsky » Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:08 pm

The T is broke, so unless they find a grant for either signals or platforms neither are going to get ban upgrade. Its a pity because both new signals and full highs east of Framingham are really low hanging fruit for the T.
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Re: Fenway Center / Yawkey Station Discussion

Postby BandA » Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:52 pm

Replacing Newton station (Newton Corner) would be fantastic for interchange with all the bus routes. I guess back in 1962 it was considered surplus 'cause folks could just hop onto the "A" line, or take an express bus on the new uncrowded 'Pike. They could charge the gateway center $$$ & put an entrance / ADA elevators directly in the lobby of the Sheraton.
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