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Postby MBTA F40PH-2C 1050 » Tue Mar 22, 2005 6:06 pm

here is the picture, sorry its blurry, but i didn't expect this train to have the double's behind the loco, so it was a quick shot

http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?20050 ... 228361.jpg
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Postby CRail » Wed Mar 23, 2005 9:06 am

MBTA F40PH-2C 1050 wrote:here is the picture, sorry its blurry, but i didn't expect this train to have the double's behind the loco, so it was a quick shot

http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?20050 ... 228361.jpg


ok, things to notice here.

1. The train is going inbound, so the exhaust really wouldnt be a problem.
2. Coming in from readville, (a yard)
3. Attleborough line with four cars? something tells me there was an equipment problem where a single had to be removed.
4. four car trains no matter what the situation are most likely not rush hour trains so the car behind the engine was most likely closed, so the HVAC would be off thus removing the problem of exhaust getting into the vent.

Matt, the conductor (we know, i will not disclose names over a public accessable internet site) has worked with the commuter rail for 15 years (longer then the "k cars" have been on the system) and has only seen this twice. she would know of these restrictions, and so if there were modifications. She, as well as all employees, recieve the orders, forms, memo's, etc. which would include such changes or modification to cars, not to mention they would either have to be shipped off to a shop, or they would all have an extensive visit to the BET, which employees would all know about.

These cars will be placed like this in an emergency where such things may be necessary, but cannot be scheduled to run like this because they are cannot to run behind the engine without creating halusinations to all of the passengers riding in it (wouldnt that be fun :-)).

Anyone have more to add?
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Postby MBTA F40PH-2C 1050 » Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:46 pm

1. sorry Corey, i forgot to mention the train is going OUTBOUND, it is heading to S. Attleboro

2. the MBTA has a yard in Readville and Readville shuttle trains from South Station to Readville station are usually 4 cars long

3. This was on a Sunday

4. this was during rush hour on sunday, 435 pm
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Postby CRail » Thu Mar 24, 2005 7:15 am

if that is an outbound train then the engineer is committing some serious NORAC violations.

No Ditch Lights, No Headlight, Marker lights on (not a violation but still wrong)

Also, this train is on the rong side to be coming towards you (which I understand is possible but not common, and supports my argument), so unless the set is backwards (1500 facing outbound) i think its safe to say this train is not an outbound train.

Even if this does happen (which it does occasionally), it isnt supposed to but sometimes they do it when there is some emergency situation.

(commuter rail empoyees who make up and break down train sets should probably know the restrictions to the sets they make/break)
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Postby MBTA F40PH-2C 1050 » Thu Mar 24, 2005 7:41 am

CRail, the headlights are on, the ditch lights are not, the train is running left handed becuase of an Amtrak Regional was run down Track 1, and the Dispatcher put the T on Track 2

the markers look on, but they might not be, its hard to tell cause the photo is blurry.

an engineer i know was on this train, and i asked why the train was that short and why the doubles where behind the loco, i forget the answer though, this was back in July
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Postby CRail » Thu Mar 24, 2005 7:50 am

the headlights look pretty dim to be on, but maybe its just the angle

the markers are LED's so they are definately on, they are red and they look white if they are off.

Even if that was the case in july the HVAC can be off since its not cold, but i imagine it would be a bit warm. Like i said though, it can happen, but its not common practice, because its not supposed to happen.

Lets go back to the 900's now before the topic gets shut down. (we can continue the debate in PM's if you would like :-) )
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Postby MBTA F40PH-2C 1050 » Thu Mar 24, 2005 2:20 pm

yea, its not a common practice, but now we know the new 900's will be able to be right behind the loco
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Postby CSX Conductor » Sat Mar 26, 2005 11:30 pm

CRail wrote:then howcome leading unit 1700 had no bathrooms this mornnig but still had a 600 between the 700s and the engine?


I saw that set this week a few times, looked like it was a 500 behind the engine.
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Back to the topic of the thread...

Postby Diverging Route » Sun Mar 27, 2005 3:45 am

NETRANSIT is now reporting:
900-903 may be returned to Kawasaki’s facility in Yonkers NY for modifications before being accepted for service.

Anyone know what modifications have been requested? Third level? 2x2 seats? Reclining first class lounge chairs?
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Postby GP40MC1118 » Sun Mar 27, 2005 5:04 pm

I heard there was a problem with the air bags, plus other things that need to be tweaked. All four cars are stored in Yard 14 this weekend.

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Postby CRail » Mon Mar 28, 2005 1:17 pm

CSX Conductor wrote:
CRail wrote:then howcome leading unit 1700 had no bathrooms this mornnig but still had a 600 between the 700s and the engine?


I saw that set this week a few times, looked like it was a 500 behind the engine.


If there was it was added on since i saw it, there was a 200 between the 700's and the engine. ( not only do i know what a 200 looks like, the three didget number on the car started with a 2, so it was a 200)
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Postby CSX Conductor » Tue Mar 29, 2005 1:53 pm

Oh Corey calm down, you have already wasted so much space on here arguing with Matt about silly little things. I am so sick of you posting comments or correcting people in a way that sounds like you're trying to say you know it all!! Headlights on dim is not a Norac violation in certain cases, btw.

Anyways, back on the topic of 900's, I never did see any more in the CSX computer, maybe thats because the first 4 haven't been officially accepted?
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Postby MBTA F40PH-2C 1050 » Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:03 pm

when are more expected to be in the boston area?
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Postby paulrail » Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:27 am

If you get a copy of the Arpil, 2005 edition of RAILPACE magazine, on page 5, there is a nice shot of a Conrail Shaed Assets engine pulling the four new Kawasaki bi-level coaches in "street running" mode having arrived in Port Newark, NY. :wink:

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Postby CRail » Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:15 pm

What is "Street running"

Were they coming to boston from nebraska?
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