New Kawasaki Coach Questions

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Postby octr202 » Thu Mar 17, 2005 3:19 pm

Isn't it standard T practice to have one bathroom per train, and to put it in the car behind the engine, for standardization purposes? I swear I heard that somewhere at some point -- or maybe I just came to believe it after seeing all those Fitchburg trains in Waltham with the lone 500-series car at the engine end of every train.

So, that practice would then mean that it'd be a 500 or a 900 as the first car now (well, when the 900's go in service).
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Postby Diverging Route » Thu Mar 17, 2005 3:48 pm

Most South Side "flat" trains have a 1500-series MBB car (control car with bathroom) as the inbound lead car.

There are also a few sets wandering around that have a 1500 and engine sandwiching a mix of doubles/singles.
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Postby CRail » Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:19 pm

many times there is a 200 on the lead behind the loco
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Postby ST214 » Fri Mar 18, 2005 1:08 am

The 500 being behind the loco is a Northside standard. Reason is that the 500's have wider doors, and thus are easier for wheelchairs to access and egress from. Also, they have wheelchair locks on them. Reason for being behind the loco is if you look, all the mini high's are at the outbound end of the platform.

Southside, you will see 500's anywhere in the train, and 1500's leading.
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Postby CRail » Fri Mar 18, 2005 7:17 am

not sure about the 200s, but the 500s, 600s, and 700s all have the wheelchair lock.
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Postby bierhere » Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:05 am

On the Southside, if the train has any 700/1700 series cars, you will almost certainly have a 500/1500 behind the engine.

If there are no 700/1700 series cars, the 1500 series car will be in the front and generally either a 200/600 will be behind the engine.


Rule of thumb:
"Flat set of cars" bathroom furthest from engine
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Postby sery2831 » Fri Mar 18, 2005 11:24 am

The wheel chair lock is something we are no supposed to use anymore! That is why the 200s dont have them. I am sure the 900s dont have them. The 500s have large doors and are easier to get a motorized chair into. The 200s are useless because the outside doors are still small!
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Postby CSX Conductor » Fri Mar 18, 2005 8:04 pm

sery2831 wrote:The 200s are useless because the outside doors are still small!


Aren't the 200's simply re-built 400's?
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Postby GP40MC1118 » Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:48 pm

The 200's are rebuilt Pullman 300/1300 series cars. The 400/1400 series were the MK Boise Budds - rebuilds of ex-T RDC's.

BTW, the 14 Boise Budds on Caltrans are now for sale as one group (2 Control cars and 12 coaches) for $562,500 (minimum acceptable bid)!

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Postby CSX Conductor » Fri Mar 18, 2005 11:07 pm

Thanks Dave, I meant the old 300's/1300's.
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Postby Silverliner II » Sat Mar 19, 2005 7:04 pm

I wonder why they didn't number the 900's as 800-series cars....that was the next open series.

Any cab cars (1900's) coming with this new Kawasaki order?
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Postby Diverging Route » Sat Mar 19, 2005 7:57 pm

Here's my assumption: If/when the MBTA purchases additional bilevels without lavs, they'll start at the next number, 782, and progress upwards into the 800s. That would be rationale for numbering these bilevels with lavs starting with 900.
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Postby CRail » Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:38 am

multipul sets on the lineup show 1500s, 700, and still a 200 behind the engine, and there is no 700 behind the engine, proving, 700's cannot be placed behind the engine. Besides all of the crewmembers who all say the same.
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Postby MBTA F40PH-2C 1050 » Mon Mar 21, 2005 4:15 pm

CRail wrote:proving, 700's cannot be placed behind the engine. Besides all of the crewmembers who all say the same.


700's can be placed behind the engine, i have seen it
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Postby CRail » Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:19 am

then howcome leading unit 1700 had no bathrooms this mornnig but still had a 600 between the 700s and the engine?
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