Information please- MBTA and MBCR?

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Information please- MBTA and MBCR?

Postby jg greenwood » Thu Dec 23, 2004 3:06 pm

Please educate an ignorant mid-westerner. The MBTA and the MBCR, one in the same? Two different web-sites, help please.
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Postby iandavid » Thu Dec 23, 2004 3:14 pm

I'm probably not the most knowledgeable person to answer this, but I can take a stab:

The MBTA runs subway, bus, and commuter rail service in Metro Boston and Eastern Massachusetts. MBCR is the contractor that runs the commuter rail service. They took the contract over from Amtrak a little over a year ago.

Like I said, I'm sure someone else here can provide a much more detailed description than that. But there are the basics.
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Postby jg greenwood » Thu Dec 23, 2004 3:36 pm

iandavid wrote:I'm probably not the most knowledgeable person to answer this, but I can take a stab:

The MBTA runs subway, bus, and commuter rail service in Metro Boston and Eastern Massachusetts. MBCR is the contractor that runs the commuter rail service. They took the contract over from Amtrak a little over a year ago.

Like I said, I'm sure someone else here can provide a much more detailed description than that. But there are the basics.


Thank you!
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Postby AEM7AC920 » Thu Dec 23, 2004 5:29 pm

iandavid wrote:I'm probably not the most knowledgeable person to answer this, but I can take a stab:

The MBTA runs subway, bus, and commuter rail service in Metro Boston and Eastern Massachusetts. MBCR is the contractor that runs the commuter rail service. They took the contract over from Amtrak a little over a year ago.

Like I said, I'm sure someone else here can provide a much more detailed description than that. But there are the basics.


That sounds good to me!
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Postby CRail » Thu Dec 23, 2004 8:23 pm

Thats pretty much it. The Commuter Rail is operated by MBCR. They fund it, staff it, and manage it. All the T does for the Commuter Rail is own it. (and place the blame for any problems on MBCR) Although they are getting paid approx $200,000,000 annually i believe, correct me if im wrong, but thats what Amtrak was getting for the contract when they gave it up.
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Postby jg greenwood » Thu Dec 23, 2004 9:10 pm

CRail wrote:Thats pretty much it. The Commuter Rail is operated by MBCR. They fund it, staff it, and manage it. All the T does for the Commuter Rail is own it. (and place the blame for any problems on MBCR) Although they are getting paid approx $200,000,000 annually i believe, correct me if im wrong, but thats what Amtrak was getting for the contract when they gave it up.

Amtrak "gave" it up, voluntarily?
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Postby SnoozerZ49 » Thu Dec 23, 2004 9:24 pm

Amtrak chose not to bid on the contract given some of the provisions. I believe it is the same rationale that Amtrak used when withdrawing from the MetroLink bidding process in California. As I understand it the transit agencies are looking for the contractor to assume a level of liability that Amtrak was unwilling or unable to accept.

Time will tell whether MBCR submitted a viable option to Amtrak for the MBTA. There was so much mud slinging by the MBTA towards the end of its agreement with Amtrak that it was hard to distinguish fact from fiction.

I'd say the average commuter has seen no improvement in service under the present contractor.
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Postby jg greenwood » Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:12 pm

SnoozerZ49 wrote:Amtrak chose not to bid on the contract given some of the provisions. I believe it is the same rationale that Amtrak used when withdrawing from the MetroLink bidding process in California. As I understand it the transit agencies are looking for the contractor to assume a level of liability that Amtrak was unwilling or unable to accept.

Time will tell whether MBCR submitted a viable option to Amtrak for the MBTA. There was so much mud slinging by the MBTA towards the end of its agreement with Amtrak that it was hard to distinguish fact from fiction.

I'd say the average commuter has seen no improvement in service under the present contractor.


Would you also say there's been no decline in service with the MBCR?
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Postby iandavid » Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:27 pm

CRail wrote:Thats pretty much it. The Commuter Rail is operated by MBCR. They fund it, staff it, and manage it. All the T does for the Commuter Rail is own it. (and place the blame for any problems on MBCR) Although they are getting paid approx $200,000,000 annually i believe, correct me if im wrong, but thats what Amtrak was getting for the contract when they gave it up.


Now that's the kind of answer I was hoping to hear.

jg greenwood wrote:Would you also say there's been no decline in service with the MBCR?


I could agree with that. Although I'm not a daily rider. I just use the NEC to get back home to Providence on the holidays. Also, lately I've been taking Amtrak a lot even though it's more expensive, because (yep, you guessed it) it goes all the way to Providence on the weekends, whereas the T only goes as far as S. Attleboro.
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Postby Ron Newman » Fri Dec 24, 2004 8:14 am

I've seen no difference in service -- neither worse nor better. I think many of the same people are employed, too.
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Postby ST214 » Fri Dec 24, 2004 10:50 pm

I've seen a difference. More BO cars, shorter trains, no trash receptacles(Due to "heightened security measures")
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Postby SnoozerZ49 » Fri Dec 24, 2004 11:13 pm

No
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Postby CSX Conductor » Sat Dec 25, 2004 12:11 am

CRail wrote:Thats pretty much it. The Commuter Rail is operated by MBCR. They fund it, staff it, and manage it. All the T does for the Commuter Rail is own it. (and place the blame for any problems on MBCR) Although they are getting paid approx $200,000,000 annually i believe, correct me if im wrong, but thats what Amtrak was getting for the contract when they gave it up.


The funding comes from the money alotted in the contract w/ the MBTA.

Amtrak pretty much hd no shot at retaining the contract, the T prttmuch wanted anybody else but Amtrak.
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Postby ST214 » Sun Dec 26, 2004 10:36 pm

SnoozerZ49 wrote:No



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Postby SnoozerZ49 » Sun Dec 26, 2004 10:46 pm

yup, that's right, no to the previosly asked question
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