ex-MARC Units Discussion

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Re: ex-MARC Units Discussion

Postby RailBus63 » Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:28 pm

Perhaps the grandfather clause only covered the units as long as they were under MARC ownership.
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Re: ex-MARC Units Discussion

Postby sery2831 » Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:48 pm

No they are grandfathered. It is believed this is a preference purely by the MBTA only.
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Re: ex-MARC Units Discussion

Postby MEC407 » Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:53 pm

In some ways it makes sense. If pedestrians and motorists in the Greater Boston area have been conditioned over the years to associate the triangular light pattern with a forward-moving train, I suppose there is a chance that someone might see an oncoming locomotive without the triangular light pattern and think that the train was either stopped or moving in the other direction. You just never know. Adding ditch lights to these three units is probably cheap insurance against a potential lawsuit if something bad did happen (God forbid).
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Re: ex-MARC Units Discussion

Postby atsf sp » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:45 pm

I would bet they just add the ditch lights and keep the gyralights too.
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Re: ex-MARC Units Discussion

Postby MEC407 » Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:30 pm

That would definitely be easier and less expensive than removing the gyralights, especially if this is only a short-term lease.
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Re: ex-MARC Units Discussion

Postby CRail » Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:25 pm

If the lights have to be "removed" if operational, they can just replace the lens with a piece of sheet metal. Who's to say if the light is behind it or not? I think that would make more sense than maintaining it or removing the whole assembly.
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Re: ex-MARC Units Discussion

Postby diburning » Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:59 pm

Seeing how the MBTA has been having so many problems keeping up, I bet that instead of sheet metal, it will be a black plastic bag. :D
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Re: ex-MARC Units Discussion

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:51 pm

diburning wrote:Seeing how the MBTA has been having so many problems keeping up, I bet that instead of sheet metal, it will be a black plastic bag. :D


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Re: ex-MARC Units Discussion

Postby DutchRailnut » Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:06 pm

Just remember, the FRA rules call for " if its on engine it got to be maintained"
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Re: ex-MARC Units Discussion

Postby sery2831 » Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:21 am

Anyone see any movement with the other 2 units in Worcester at all?
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Re: ex-MARC Units Discussion

Postby mitch3910 » Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:46 am

I got pulled up to Haverhill by 67 last night. The ride was pretty smooth, but wow is she loud. I was sitting 3 cars back and I felt like I was standing next to a jet engine every time we left a station.
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Re: ex-MARC Units Discussion

Postby octr202 » Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:16 am

mitch3910 wrote:I got pulled up to Haverhill by 67 last night. The ride was pretty smooth, but wow is she loud. I was sitting 3 cars back and I felt like I was standing next to a jet engine every time we left a station.


Yeah I noticed that, too. However, at idle she's very quiet. In my one listen up close, at idle it's easily as quiet as an F40 rebuild, but howls like a screamer under load.
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Re: ex-MARC Units Discussion

Postby MEC407 » Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:18 am

Sounds like the cars need better noise insulation. I've sat directly behind a P42 in an Amfleet car many many times, and all I could hear was the horn when we went through crossings. P42s are pretty loud, mind you.
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Re: ex-MARC Units Discussion

Postby octr202 » Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:54 am

You've seen most of the MBTA car fleet, especially the Northside? They need a lot of things...

But seriously, though. They're not that loud in the cars (louder than an Amfleet, yes, but not an issue to me). I'd just say that the engine noise is louder, and somewhat different with the GP40WH-2. Not really a big issue.

That said, on the similiar subject, based on living a stone's throw and a half from the Western Route main, in my opinion the MBTA units are mostly louder to "the neighbors" than Amtrak's P42. Granted, the Amtrak units are rarely loading up from a station stop the way the commuter units are.
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Re: ex-MARC Units Discussion

Postby MEC407 » Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:13 am

Purely from a railfan perspective, I think those GP40WH-2s sound fantastic. Doesn't mean I'd want to sit directly behind one for 20 or 30 minutes twice a day :wink: but the sound is classic, raw, heart-pounding EMD.
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