Discussion on Possible Future Lease Locomotives

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Re: Discussion on Possible Future Lease Locomotives

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:18 pm



Jeez, Herald. Is there something about "temporary lease locomotives" that needs explaining? We're borrowing these things from Crazy Bill's Used Locomotive Dealership for 2-3 years max provided the new order comes in on-schedule. And the lease terms probably have warranty if one of them craps out and proves unusable. It's a patch job at patch job price. Nobody is getting ripped off unless the T does something silly and extends the lease out to 10 years or buys them outright or something.
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Re: Discussion on Possible Future Lease Locomotives

Postby MBTA1052 » Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:42 pm

The Gyro Lights above the Cab windows are a old school style version of Ditchlights now a days...The only difference is they don't alternate when flashing.
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Re: Discussion on Possible Future Lease Locomotives

Postby realtype » Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:43 pm

MBTA1052 wrote:The Gyro Lights above the Cab windows are a old school style version of Ditchlights now a days...The only difference is they don't alternate when flashing.


Well really the gyralights don't actually flash, just rotate, although it would look that way to a person at a station or crossing. They look pretty awesome in reality actually, especially on a dark and rainy morning. :-) MARC's newest cab cars, it's bilevel Kawasakis manufactured in 2000 have them also, except they're placed horizantally.

Gyralights on MARC GP40's
Gyralights on MARC III Kawasaki cab car (1)
Gyralights on MARC III Kawasaki cab car (2)


As for the "new" MBTA units, the three to be ushered into in service will be 59, 61, and 67. 63 will be sent back and 52 will be "retained" for parts. RIP 52.
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Re: Discussion on Possible Future Lease Locomotives

Postby BostonUrbEx » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:43 pm

I didn't realize the locomotive that has already been pressed into service has taken a set with a K car. It was a nice surprise at about 6PM at Oak Grove. It was heading north. :)
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Re: Discussion on Possible Future Lease Locomotives

Postby sery2831 » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:19 am

Starting a new thread on the MARC units: viewtopic.php?f=65&t=80721

I will leave this thread open for future developments/discussion on options for lease units.
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Re: Discussion on Possible Future Lease Locomotives

Postby MEC407 » Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:30 pm

scrook wrote:So what else IS available in used passenger loco's?
GO Transit's F59PHI's (did someone say these had geometry (height?) issues and/or different HEP voltage??)
Other?


Rail World Locomotive Leasing apparently still has some F40PH-2s available (ones that are still equipped for passenger service; I'm not talking about the ones that were rebuilt as freight locomotives). And then there are the GO F59s. Other than those, I can't think of anything off the top of my head. Unless Amtrak still has some P40s in storage that they'd be willing to lease out...
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Re: Discussion on Possible Future Lease Locomotives

Postby MBTA1052 » Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:30 pm

Yea P40s might be off the table cause I remember asking if we could ever lease them and I was told they load slow.Plus I heard they would need some rebuilding work to come back to life!!
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Re: Discussion on Possible Future Lease Locomotives

Postby MEC407 » Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:27 pm

The slow loading thing is a bit of a misnomer. I doubt it would add more than a minute to the running time of any given train. Plus, once you get above 30 or 40 MPH, they actually accelerate faster than EMDs.

At any rate, I'm sure the T would prefer F40PH-2s if they had to choose between those and P40s, simply because they're accustomed to the F40PH series and there wouldn't be many surprises.

Kind of a bummer that the F59PHs didn't work out, for whatever reason... they would have looked great in T colors...
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Re: Discussion on Possible Future Lease Locomotives

Postby MBTA3247 » Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:27 pm

Loading slowly is far better than not loading at all.
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Re: Discussion on Possible Future Lease Locomotives

Postby diburning » Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:46 pm

I don't think the P40s are on the table. The reason is that Amtrak sold off a bunch of their P40s, and the rest were stored. When they received TIGER funds to rehab them, they stripped some for parts to rehab the other ones. (This is what I read, I don't remember where)

As for the F59s not being compatible with the coaches, why not just (temporarily or permanently) change out the HEP generator?
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Re: Discussion on Possible Future Lease Locomotives

Postby MEC407 » Mon Apr 11, 2011 7:11 pm

The MARC units probably represented the "path of least resistance" in terms of quickly adding additional units to the fleet with the least amount of time and money spent on modifications and prep work. Doesn't mean they're great units... but weak lemonade is better than no lemonade at all, I suppose. :wink:
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Re: Discussion on Possible Future Lease Locomotives

Postby Mcoov » Mon Apr 11, 2011 7:21 pm

diburning wrote:I don't think the P40s are on the table...

And besides, a P40 wouldn't look too great in a purple "Lightning Stripe" scheme.
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Re: Discussion on Possible Future Lease Locomotives

Postby MEC407 » Mon Apr 11, 2011 7:51 pm

Sure it would! :-D
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Re: Discussion on Possible Future Lease Locomotives

Postby sery2831 » Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:45 pm

diburning wrote:As for the F59s not being compatible with the coaches, why not just (temporarily or permanently) change out the HEP generator?


I am not sure how you have missed this, but none of the F59s out there have incompatible HEP units. They all have been converted to the 480v standard!!! This has been said already on here at least once.
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Re: Discussion on Possible Future Lease Locomotives

Postby diburning » Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:33 am

Ah, ok, I missed it somehow.

So, are the F59s still on the table?
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