Green Line Type 9 Thread

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Re: Green Line Type 9 Thread

Postby Type 7 3684 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:37 pm

The first Type 9 has arrived at Riverside.

https://twitter.com/LMRAMIREZGM/status/ ... 4868425728
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Re: Green Line Type 9 Thread

Postby BandA » Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:35 pm

How dare they wrap it in plastic! They should use paper.

What's the shipping cost for one of these bad boys?
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Re: Green Line Type 9 Thread

Postby Rbts Stn » Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:27 am

BandA wrote:How dare they wrap it in plastic! They should use paper.

What's the shipping cost for one of these bad boys?


Depends on how they send it.

My guess is they got lucky with Smart Post and saved a bundle.
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Re: Green Line Type 9 Thread

Postby Backshophoss » Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:48 pm

"Slow Boat" from China,CRRC's home. :P
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Re: Green Line Type 9 Thread

Postby bostontrainguy » Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:53 pm

Maybe Spain.

Actually I did hear that it was about $20,000 to transport the reconditioned Type 7s from Alstom, which would be a similar journey, but that was through the grapevine and never verified so I can't confirm it.
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Re: Green Line Type 9 Thread

Postby csor2010 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:44 pm

Type 7 3684 wrote:The first Type 9 has arrived at Riverside.

https://twitter.com/LMRAMIREZGM/status/ ... 4868425728


More pictures (and a delivery schedule) in this week's DGM report.
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Re: Green Line Type 9 Thread

Postby johnpbarlow » Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:14 am

Snazzy looking trolley! Q: the doors do not appear to fold upon opening - how do they open? Do they swing out from the car body?
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Re: Green Line Type 9 Thread

Postby MBTA3247 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:48 am

Yes, they're plug doors, much like the Boeings originally had (though presumably the doors on the new cars actually work). They swing out a few inches before moving sideways along the carbody when opening.

And that trolley is hideous, IMO.
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Re: Green Line Type 9 Thread

Postby bostontrainguy » Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:30 am

MBTA3247 wrote:Yes, they're plug doors, much like the Boeings originally had (though presumably the doors on the new cars actually work). They swing out a few inches before moving sideways along the carbody when opening.

And that trolley is hideous, IMO.


Do you remember the sexy sleek pictures CAF first showed? There are so many good looking trolleys out there but the MBTA once again shows no care for aesthetics. Of course reliability is the most important thing, but geez!
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Re: Green Line Type 9 Thread

Postby Bramdeisroberts » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:44 am

It also doesn't help that the color scheme that won was the absolute worst of the three. It's an aesthetic atrocity and looks like something an elementary schooler would scribble in crayon on that cheap brown paper that they gave you in art class. On a more dynamic design, it might work, but on something as "meh" as what CAF threw together, awkward proportions, gun-slit windows and all, it's just laughably bad.

At least with this design:
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There would have been some aesthetic commonality with the looks of the Type 8s.

Speaking of, the Bredas imho were a great example of doing ugly right. They had an unwinnable battle, maximizing interior volume on a low-floor articulated trolley that fit the Green Line's *ahem* unique loading plate, and Pininfarina did a great job of dressing that Lego-tastic form in a design that celebrated the functional boxiness with a hard-angled, utilitarian design that maximized window space while carrying a wonderful mid-90s techno-modern aesthetic that harkened back to the structural expressionism of Richard Rogers, Renzo Piano, and Norman Foster in much the same way that the PCC drew on so many classic Art-Deco forms. They might have been mechanical nightmares, irredeemable pieces of flaming, track-jumping garbage, but like a classic Ducati, Ferrari, Alfa Romeo, or other good piece of Italian "engineering", at least they were damned sharp looking mechanical nightmares thanks to the folks at Pininfarina.

One at the Type 9, otoh, which tries to hide it's awkward blockiness with bland curves and tacky looking LED lights, and it's clear that the folks at CAF don't have Pininfarina working for them. The Type 8 was ugly because someone who knows far more about design than I do went out of their way to make it as ugly as possible in a very particularly way. The Type 9, otoh, seems like it got hit with the ugly stick because the folks at CAF didn't know any better. As anyone who's spent time around RENFE or other CAF hardware can attest, this is nothing new.
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Re: Green Line Type 9 Thread

Postby rethcir » Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:55 pm

Man, people love getting angry on the internet
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Re: Green Line Type 9 Thread

Postby Bramdeisroberts » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:27 pm

$118m is a lot to pay for ugly trolleys :P
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Re: Green Line Type 9 Thread

Postby ceo » Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:12 pm

I'm well aware I'm a distinct minority here, but I've always thought the Type 7s were butt-hideous. The Type 9s are kind of bland and I don't like the tiny little windows in the front door, but at least they look like they were designed sometime after 1960.
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Re: Green Line Type 9 Thread

Postby diburning » Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:02 am

MBTA3247 wrote:Yes, they're plug doors, much like the Boeings originally had (though presumably the doors on the new cars actually work). They swing out a few inches before moving sideways along the carbody when opening.


Looking at an interior shot, the plug doors are the same type that CAF's installs on all of streetcars which appear to work fine. The doors first pop out an inch and a half, then they roll to the side on rollers. The Boeings had more of a minivan style plug door system that ran on a track on the side of the carbody which were probably unreliable in the winter.

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Re: Green Line Type 9 Thread

Postby Disney Guy » Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:34 pm

The main door mechanism is at the top of the door and has a series of telescoping horizontal girders that extend to the side as the door panel opens. When the door is closed, the girders are nested together and fit in the space above the door. There is a roller pin in the frame near the door bottom that runs in the track on the door panel that is visible in the interior view and this keeps the door from billowing out or slapping against the side of the car. The bottom pin is on a link that draws the door into the "plugged" position for complete closure.

The Boeing cars had door panels with roller pins at top inside corner, bottom inside corner and middle outside edge. The track for the "middle" pin was exposed on the car body. The tracks for the top and bottom pins appeared to be angled to get the door panel into and out of the "plugged" position passively. The middle pin had some floppy linkage to get into and out of the "plugged" position for full closure.

The RTS buses had yet another type of plug door. There were no roller pins or tracks. Instead the door was supported on short pivoting links, one end attached to the door and the other end attached to the frame. The links all swung in a 180 degree horizontal circular path to open and close the door panel. (When halfway open the panel was a little further away from the bus body.)
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