New Orange and Red Line Car Acquisition Process

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Re: New Orange and Red Line Car Acquisition Process

Postby RenegadeMonster » Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:20 am

Thats very interesting. Also it explains those green line trains sitting in the woods in PA I always wondered about.

I'd be cool, but I would have no place to store a red line or orange line car :P
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Re: New Orange and Red Line Car Acquisition Process

Postby MBTA3247 » Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:44 pm

I would've expected the scrap price for a subway car to be quite a bit higher than $800.
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Re: New Orange and Red Line Car Acquisition Process

Postby RenegadeMonster » Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:39 pm

Same, but I bet the price is what the scrap company is willing to pay for them if they have to remove the cars from the T's site and transport them them selves to the scrap yard. Could also take into account of having to take some units aport on to transport.
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Re: New Orange and Red Line Car Acquisition Process

Postby troffey » Mon Aug 06, 2018 4:09 pm

Scrap steel is going for about $200/ton at a scarp yard...figure in the cost of transport or on-site scrapping and a deduction on the per/ton price for all the non-metal parts and you'd be looking at maybe $150/ton? What's the weight of a T subway car?
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Re: New Orange and Red Line Car Acquisition Process

Postby RenegadeMonster » Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:41 pm

The Boston Globe reported about 30 tons per subway car.
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Re: New Orange and Red Line Car Acquisition Process

Postby BandA » Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:58 pm

just slip some rubber wheels over the steel ones & add a generator, apply some roofing tar & bondo & you'll be stylin'. Oh, and a steering wheel, lol. Nobody will mess with you going through the Big Dig in a modified Orange Line car!
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Re: New Orange and Red Line Car Acquisition Process

Postby blackcap » Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:57 am

The Red Line mock-up car is on display at City Hall Plaza through Thursday:

https://www.universalhub.com/2018/new-red-orange-line-cars-wont-let-riders-slide
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Re: New Orange and Red Line Car Acquisition Process

Postby jwhite07 » Thu Aug 30, 2018 5:07 am

Noticed a flatbed truck with a tarped new Orange Line car awaiting unloading behind Wellington Yard yesterday morning; per NETransit there are four expected. One pair of the cars already in testing was sitting on a yard lead south of the carhouse. Could not see where the second pair was.
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Re: New Orange and Red Line Car Acquisition Process

Postby Arlington » Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:32 am

jwhite07 wrote:Noticed a flatbed truck with a tarped new Orange Line car awaiting unloading behind Wellington Yard yesterday morning; per NETransit there are four expected. One pair of the cars already in testing was sitting on a yard lead south of the carhouse. Could not see where the second pair was.

What do you/we guess: Are these the Chinese-assembled ones or the first that are final-assembled in Springfield?
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Re: New Orange and Red Line Car Acquisition Process

Postby jwhite07 » Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:31 pm

Arlington wrote:
jwhite07 wrote:Noticed a flatbed truck with a tarped new Orange Line car awaiting unloading behind Wellington Yard yesterday morning; per NETransit there are four expected. One pair of the cars already in testing was sitting on a yard lead south of the carhouse. Could not see where the second pair was.

What do you/we guess: Are these the Chinese-assembled ones or the first that are final-assembled in Springfield?


The CRRC MA website says first Springfield-produced cars expected to start rolling out in December, so I'm guessing these are imports.
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Re: New Orange and Red Line Car Acquisition Process

Postby MRY » Thu Aug 30, 2018 4:18 pm

Does any of the tariff stuff going on now effect the importation of complete cars or parts thereof?
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Re: New Orange and Red Line Car Acquisition Process

Postby orange1234 » Thu Aug 30, 2018 5:30 pm

MRY wrote:Does any of the tariff stuff going on now effect the importation of complete cars or parts thereof?


I'm not sure about the recently received pilot cars or the carbody shells, but a large majority of the subassemblies and components are actually products of non-Chinese companies and are manufactured in the US.
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Re: New Orange and Red Line Car Acquisition Process

Postby BandA » Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:38 pm

I think there is sovereign risk, but probably for orders that are receiving feddybucks. This order is paid for by MA taxpayers.
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Re: New Orange and Red Line Car Acquisition Process

Postby R36 Combine Coach » Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:11 am

BandA wrote:I think there is sovereign risk, but probably for orders that are receiving feddybucks. This order is paid for by MA taxpayers.

100% MassDOT funded, no FTA?
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Re: New Orange and Red Line Car Acquisition Process

Postby chrisf » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:11 am

R36 Combine Coach wrote:100% MassDOT funded, no FTA?

Correct. This is apparently so that the MBTA could insist on them being "built" in Massachusetts.
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