New Work Train Caboose (MBTX 13743)

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Re: New Work Train Caboose (MBTX 13743)

Postby paulrail » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:49 pm

I believe that Guilford/Pan AM Rail Systerms called these critters.. "shoving platforms." when they were being used. I don't know if they have any left in their system.

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Re: New Work Train Caboose (MBTX 13743)

Postby MBTA3247 » Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:56 pm

Veristek wrote:
Stmtrolleyguy wrote:I would think they need a locomotive on each end so that they have a way to run the train in both directions. Without a caboose, there's no way for a crew memeber to be on the head end of the train unless he/she is hanging onto the end of one of the cars in the work train - and uncomfortable and dangerous situation. With a caboose, I would think a crew member could radio back to the engineer the signals, switches, etc., so the train could be run with the caboose leading.


Hmm. The MBTA can manage with just one locomotive pushing / pulling consists, with the cab control cars and all. Just wondering why a work train doesn't work like that? Don't they have cab control cars on the work trains in lieu of a caboose?

They could put a cab car on, but it wouldn't help, since the work cars don't have MU and power cables.
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Re: New Work Train Caboose (MBTX 13743)

Postby bmcdr » Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:47 pm

On a work train, the cars involved, are not connected to the locomotive by cables as in a push-pull passenger train operation, that is why a caboose or another locomotive is required. Otherwise you'd have to take the train to a point on the railroad where there is a passing siding or crossovers so that the locomotive could run around the train. This would waste valuable time, on the Northside, when the work train reaches its destination, they merely make a backup move with the Conductor calling the signals, the caboose is equipped with a headlight, ditch lights, horns, and bell. THIS STUFF IS ALL VERY ELEMENTRY and covered under the NORAC rules, SIMPLE AS THAT !!!
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Re: New Work Train Caboose (MBTX 13743)

Postby Veristek » Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:53 pm

Thanks for the info. I didn't know any of that.
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Re: New Work Train Caboose (MBTX 13743)

Postby concordgirl » Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:59 pm

Veristek, if you ever have basic q's abt railroad ops like that one, the General Railroad Ops forum is a better place to ask sometimes :) Only if the q is not specifically related to the MBTA, and involves some rr procedure that many railroads use. I've learned some cool stuff over there too.
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Re: New Work Train Caboose (MBTX 13743)

Postby paulrail » Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:00 pm

It is very interesting that railroads still use some form of a "caboose" today in freight service operations. True, they no longer function in the age-old manner that was traditional for over one hundred years.

The Providence & Worcester RR painted one of their former buggies in their dark brown color with white lettering and it is used around their system when long back-up moves have to be made. The doors to the cabin do open so that the crews can come in from the platform to avoid rain or snow between moves.

Fore River Transportation RR based in the old Quincy shipyard has a privately owned caboose which is still used in the same manner in the yard.

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Re: New Work Train Caboose (MBTX 13743)

Postby bmcdr » Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:45 pm

Caboose 13743 was set out for the Readville Switcher Friday 10/3 and was picked up along with four side-dump cars for work train service on the southside.
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Re: New Work Train Caboose (MBTX 13743)

Postby octr202 » Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:10 am

With that logo still on there, we can have the Neponset Valley Eagle now...
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Re: New Work Train Caboose (MBTX 13743)

Postby StevieC48 » Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:57 pm

What does the Southside need a caboose for?[/quote]

It is because the other caboose cannot go under the catenary is what it was told by a worker.
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Re: New Work Train Caboose (MBTX 13743)

Postby diburning » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:45 pm

How much shorter (in height) is this SBW Caboose than the other caboose? What kind of caboose is the other one?
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Re: New Work Train Caboose (MBTX 13743)

Postby Tracer » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:32 pm

Is this the "other" caboose everyones talking about?

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Re: New Work Train Caboose (MBTX 13743)

Postby MBTA3247 » Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:52 pm

StevieC48 wrote:What does the Southside need a caboose for?


It is because the other caboose cannot go under the catenary is what it was told by a worker.[/quote]
And yet, cabeese not too different from the northside caboose went under the catenary for decades back when the New Haven was still around.
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Re: New Work Train Caboose (MBTX 13743)

Postby diburning » Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:07 pm

Cannot go under the catenary? Clearly, the caboose is not taller than a F40Ph-2C!
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Re: New Work Train Caboose (MBTX 13743)

Postby StevieC48 » Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:11 pm

Well the person who told me this is incharge of all the C/R work cars they have and is a foreman for the T not MBCR its his caboose so I believe him on what he says lol. Trust me I don't argue with him. :wink:
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Re: New Work Train Caboose (MBTX 13743)

Postby GP40MC 1116 » Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:53 am

The MBTA Commuter Rail System has two Cabooses

MBTX 13743- Most recently owned by Perini Corp Bow,NH Ex Missouri Pacific
MBA "C-1"- North Side Caboose

For some reason which I can't explain, instead of MBTA or MBTX for the reporting marks for C-1, it is lettered as MBA C-1

Anyone know the reason why?
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