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Rotem Cars Discussion (new bi-level cars)

Postby sery2831 » Sat May 03, 2008 8:41 pm

This is a continuation from this thread: viewtopic.php?t=34382

From NETransit:
On February 7, 2008 the MBTA Board of Directors voted on a $190 million contract with Rotem for 75 bi-level cars, first four cars are to be delivered by 2010 while the remaining 71 cars are to be delivered in 2011-2012. Order is for 28 cab-control cars without restrooms and 47 blind-trailer coaches with restrooms.


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And a news article: http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/bi ... 22391.html
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Postby Guilford Guy » Sun May 04, 2008 12:04 am

The mock up looks very much like a K car, a little stream lining on the roof, moving the markers down, and adding boxy things above the windows...
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Postby diburning » Sun May 04, 2008 10:35 am

Guilford Guy wrote:The mock up looks very much like a K car, a little stream lining on the roof, moving the markers down, and adding boxy things above the windows...
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Actually, it looks EXACTLY like a K-car only repainted. Is this news site credible? Could they have made the mock up to make their story look better? Is there an official mock-up on the Rotem site?
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Postby travelsoccerkid1 » Sun May 04, 2008 1:20 pm

diburning wrote:
Guilford Guy wrote:The mock up looks very much like a K car, a little stream lining on the roof, moving the markers down, and adding boxy things above the windows...
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Actually, it looks EXACTLY like a K-car only repainted. Is this news site credible? Could they have made the mock up to make their story look better? Is there an official mock-up on the Rotem site?

It's absolutely identical. I don't know why everyone was worried about their not being a trap by the engineers side of the control car. It looks the same as the current K-Cars, so there must be a trap there.
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Postby diburning » Sun May 04, 2008 9:45 pm

travelsoccerkid1 wrote:
diburning wrote:
Guilford Guy wrote:The mock up looks very much like a K car, a little stream lining on the roof, moving the markers down, and adding boxy things above the windows...
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Actually, it looks EXACTLY like a K-car only repainted. Is this news site credible? Could they have made the mock up to make their story look better? Is there an official mock-up on the Rotem site?

It's absolutely identical. I don't know why everyone was worried about their not being a trap by the engineers side of the control car. It looks the same as the current K-Cars, so there must be a trap there.


Actually, it's not identical. The 2 lights above the door on the front doesn't have a frame around it on the mock up but it does on the real K-car.

I am now REALLY questioning the credibility of that mock up.
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Postby sery2831 » Sun May 04, 2008 10:16 pm

Lets not dwell on this artist concept image. It's obvious it was based on the current K cars we have. It will be interesting to see what the proto-type car looks like.
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Postby Arborway » Sun May 04, 2008 10:33 pm

I'm pleasantly surprised that they can begin delivering them in as little as two years.

I've been jaded by the need to custom-design just about everything else the T uses to fit esoteric requirements. ("This tunnel has this three foot section built in 1897 with quirk X that means you have to throw out the standard design of Y...")
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Postby Veristek » Mon May 05, 2008 6:34 pm

Arborway wrote:I'm pleasantly surprised that they can begin delivering them in as little as two years.

I've been jaded by the need to custom-design just about everything else the T uses to fit esoteric requirements. ("This tunnel has this three foot section built in 1897 with quirk X that means you have to throw out the standard design of Y...")


Wouldn't it be quicker if more K cars were made? I mean, Kawaski already has the technical specs for the K cars and they have the equipment to make them. Wouldn't it be possible to deliver more cars in half the time that way?

I'm still a bit concerned about Rotem, as they don't have such a great track record in Taiwan. Their passenger cars and locos have vibration problems, and Rotem was actually barred from doing more CR bids in Taiwan.

Imagine the problems if the 70+ new bi-levels come in, then get broken or face mechanical problems... then we'll be out 70+ bi-levels and also out of like 200 million bucks that could have been spent on new K cars by Kawaski. Why try a questionable company when we already know that the K cars have worked for us in the past?

The MBTA needed to do more research than "Okay, we only have to spend $10 million less for questionable cars never mind the fact that we may end up paying more than we would for the K cars in the future to repair or replace defective Rotem cars."

Sorry.... had to rant for a bit in there.
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Postby GP40MC 1116 » Tue May 06, 2008 4:57 pm

By the looks of this press release Boston's "METRO"is getting by-level subway cars :) :P

By Jane Han
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Hyundai Rotem, the world's third-largest urban train car maker, said Sunday it won a $170 million contract to build 75 bi-level subway cars for the Boston metro, the oldest and one of the largest transit systems in the United States.The Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority (MBTA) awarded the contract to Rotem USA, which is Hyunda-Kia Automotive Group's train maker, to replace the city's old commuter rail coaches to new ones by 2012.The fourth-largest subway system in the U.S. serves a population of 2.6 million.Rotem said in a statement that winning the Boston project carries significance because of the city's long railroad history and its competitiveness in the U.S.
market.South Korea's largest rolling stock manufacturer said it won a bid against other international suppliers after a tight competition since last May.The Changwon-based company said the latest accomplishment ¯ which follows earlier deals with transportation authorities in Pennsylvania and Southern California ¯ would help it quickly expand its U.S. presence and accelerate its global business efforts. Rotem said late last month that it aims to win orders worth $1.49 billion overseas this year, up from $640 million last year. The U.S. was among the four key markets the company selected for expansion. Turkey, India and Brazil were others. The train maker said it will eye more lucrative deals in the U.S. once its
Pennsylvania factory is completed by the end of 2008. Rotem started building a plant in Philadelphia last year in compliance with ``Buy America'' laws, which state that roughly 60 percent of car manufacturing and assembly must be done in the U.S.The global train market is estimated at $35 billion. Rotem is the third-largest seller of urban metro passenger cars, after Canada's Bombardier and France's Alstom.

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Postby Guilford Guy » Tue May 06, 2008 6:38 pm

Why of course Bernie! We're using them in captive service on the Indigo Line!
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Postby acela 2036 » Wed May 07, 2008 9:05 am

Anyone know if they will have just power doors on them?
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Postby Diverging Route » Wed May 07, 2008 12:29 pm

acela 2036 wrote:Anyone know if they will have just power doors on them?


If they are to run on the North Side (as "promised" by GM Grabauskas), then they must have a manual option as each line has low-level platforms. And since only the Old Colony lines have all high-levels, it doesn't make sense to have cars with just power doors.
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Postby cpontani » Mon May 12, 2008 12:22 pm

I don't buy that one bit. Septa's Silverliner IV's do not have long doors, and if the traps are up, the doors stay open. So when going from a low-level station, to a high-level station, the conductor holds the door open, pushes the trap down, and then releases the door and it closes. And these EMU's are 30+ years old.
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Postby realtype » Wed May 14, 2008 5:46 pm

From the article:
"Hyundai Rotem, the world's third-largest urban train car maker, said Sunday it won a $170 million contract to build 75 bi-level subway cars for the Boston metro." LOL

Rotems are garbage. Its very disapointing that the MBTA and SEPTA turned down Kawasaki equipment just to save some coin. In the long run it will cost them...

Currently NJT is the only railroad along the NEC to purchase sensible railcars (made by Bombardier).

Hopefully MARC doesn't purchase Rotems to supplement their K-car fleet. In MD the MTA isn't afraid to spend some extra $ for a better quality product.
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Re: Rotem cars on order topic (new bi-level cars)

Postby JPMiks » Wed May 14, 2008 11:06 pm

why that's a kick ass lookin coach!!!
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