Trolley Running - Well, Sort of...(Mattapan High Speed Line)

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Postby Gerry6309 » Wed Dec 26, 2007 7:57 pm

Diverging Route wrote:It's interesting that'd post this under "Green Line."


As myself and others have indicated above, this is in keeping with the general rebranding of the line, and eliminates the difference between the advertising and the operations. Only the performance remains "Red Line" or is that "Flat Line"
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Postby Gerry6309 » Wed Dec 26, 2007 8:15 pm

Tonight's evening rush: 3087, 3262, 3254, missing, missing. That's assuming the shhool vacation 5 car schedule, as opposed to the normal six car schedule. What was happening at Mattapan for the last 18 months? (3234 probably caused the alert - it was running earlier.
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Postby Ron Newman » Wed Dec 26, 2007 8:16 pm

Every single MBTA map, whether online, printed, posted in a vehicle, or posted in a station, colors the Mattapan Line red.
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Postby Epsilon » Wed Dec 26, 2007 8:29 pm

Ron Newman wrote:Every single MBTA map, whether online, printed, posted in a vehicle, or posted in a station, colors the Mattapan Line red.

Perhaps that will change? (Meaning the T would need to update all their maps, including those few that were updated to show the Greenbush line, but since when have they cared about something like that?)
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Postby Gerry6309 » Wed Dec 26, 2007 8:34 pm

Ron Newman wrote:Every single MBTA map, whether online, printed, posted in a vehicle, or posted in a station, colors the Mattapan Line red.


Let's wait and see what they post at the Mattapan Line stations before casting that in concrete. Since the signs are now green, my bet is the maps will show it that way. Remember, it took about 10 years to erase the Washington St. El and there are still maps without the Silver Line.
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Postby danib62 » Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:03 pm

I'm willing to bet that on the maps it will still be in red. I think the T was just trying to be cute with the green "old-timey" looking signs.
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Postby jamesinclair » Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:09 am

Rebranding Mattapan as Green is extra dumb.

It runs at the end of the red line, is not connected to the green line, and does not follow the a-b-c-d-e scheme. Internal designation doesnt matter. For costumers, mattapan should be red. That's how it's been for decades, that's how people know it, and that's the easiest way to tell newcomers.

Whats easier:

"Take a green line from kenmore inbound, transfer to the red ashmont train at park and then take the trolley to mattapan"

Or

"Take a green line from kenmore inbound, transfer to the red ashmont train at park and then take the green line outbound to mattapan"
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Postby AznSumtinSumtin » Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:12 am

Yeah, but the trolleys are orange. That obviously makes things much easier.
"Take the Green Line from Kenmore inbound, transfer to the Red Line Ashmont train at Park and then take the orange colored Green Line trolley outbound to Mattapan"
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Postby ironcladlou » Fri Dec 28, 2007 8:14 am

Got an alert from wheresthet.com this morning that put Mattapan back with the Red Line.

http://wheresthet.com/alert/3086/
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Postby danib62 » Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:35 am

AznSumtinSumtin wrote:Yeah, but the trolleys are orange. That obviously makes things much easier.
"Take the Green Line from Kenmore inbound, transfer to the Red Line Ashmont train at Park and then take the orange colored Green Line trolley outbound to Mattapan"
I think that fact that that the trolleys are orange is not such a big deal. I can't think of any other city other then boston where the colors of the lines match the rolling stock.
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Postby danib62 » Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:48 am

There is an article in the globe today on the high speed line. See if you can spot the inaccuracies! It might be worth picking up the actual paper for this article today because there were some great pictures not in the online version.
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Postby CSX Conductor » Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:16 pm

The only reason why the trolleys are Orange is because back in the MTA days, that was the color they wore. The Mattapan Line is part of the Red, but lettered on the rollsigns as "M", as if it were part of the Green. I say just leave them in Orange. I want to say that they were actually painted in Red at one time, but can't remember for sure.
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Postby sery2831 » Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:26 pm

Yes, at one time they painted the ex-Dallas cars red. I believe this is when they modified some(all?) of these cars to be single ended.
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Postby Fred Rabin » Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:28 pm

danib62 wrote:
AznSumtinSumtin wrote:Yeah, but the trolleys are orange. That obviously makes things much easier.
"Take the Green Line from Kenmore inbound, transfer to the Red Line Ashmont train at Park and then take the orange colored Green Line trolley outbound to Mattapan"
I think that fact that that the trolleys are orange is not such a big deal. I can't think of any other city other then boston where the colors of the lines match the rolling stock.



Matching colors: Boston is probably the only place where the lines are 100% incompatible.
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Postby Ron Newman » Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:56 pm

Right. In other cities such as Washington DC, you can stand on one platform and watch trains of more than one colored "Line" go by on the same track.
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