Green Line Expansion Beyond Lechmere

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Re: Green Line Expansion Beyond Lechmere

Postby bostontrainguy » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:02 am

deathtopumpkins wrote:I note that on the GLX slide they list the project cost as $3 billion...

Sure would be nice if the feds would pay for the whole $3 billion project as planned before the big cuts!


Maybe run it all the way to Mystic Parkway? At least add back the fare gates to speed service.
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Re: Green Line Expansion Beyond Lechmere

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:41 pm

Let's not overthink this. The projects on that list are all either in pretty advanced state of planning, or have years and years of political machinery pushing them along. He wants to do that trillion-dollar infrastructure plan as a signature achievement while in office, but the details of that plan have barely been articulated. Such an initiative is going to be a hell of a fight to get through the House, where restive factions in the majority caucus are still violently against big infrastructure spending. Therefore, for sheer political capital purposes the Admin. is going to wave ahead the stuff that's already been in the pipeline for years on end and not make their own jobs any harder on this grand infrastructure scheme by picking too many nits with individual projects and giving Congress provocation to do more of the same. GLX ≠ Somerville or Cambridge. It's a showcase infrastructure project the Administration can point to when it makes its case.

If they wanted to lump in other social politics they'd pick a waaaay bigger lightning rod than some Cambridge/Somerville City Hall resolutions to send a message to the whole country. Think Dakota pipeline or Keystone XL, or Gateway in NYC. National-coverage, not local-interest cases. And that's just a what-if. It's very unlikely the WH staff is reading far enough between the lines to get that waist-deep in FTA project selection bureaucracy. It's Day Five of the new administration...Day Four of regular business. They haven't had any time to paint in non- broad strokes. Has Transpo Sec'y Chao even been formally confirmed by the Senate yet with how bogged down they've been by confirmation hearings for the highest-profile and/or most controversial nominees???
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Re: Green Line Expansion Beyond Lechmere

Postby BandA » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:09 pm

This is confusing; Is the Trump administration going to pressure the MBTA to complete the GLX sooner? Since GLX was already funded is this a rehash? Is there now more money for GLX? Somerville & Cambridge are Sanctuary cities but the state government is not so MBTA is okay for funding whereas CA projects also on the list as priorities should have their money held up!

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Re: Green Line Expansion Beyond Lechmere

Postby Arlington » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:35 pm

F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:It's a showcase infrastructure project the Administration can point to when it makes its case.

Exactly. Photos of union guys in hardhats working rebar, long strands of CWR shooting red hot from a steel mill, and ribbon cuttings.

As long as it fits the "Man of Action" and "Great Leader" and "Making America/USA First" narrative, he doesn't care what's being built or where. If Kate Brown (Oregon's liberal governor) had said she needed a $3b Planned Parenthood clinic, she'd have gotten it, so as she promised to use enough hardhats & rebar.

It just has to have good photos in time for the 2020 primaries.
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Re: Green Line Expansion Beyond Lechmere

Postby NH2060 » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:21 pm

Arlington wrote:
F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:It's a showcase infrastructure project the Administration can point to when it makes its case.

Exactly. Photos of union guys in hardhats working rebar, long strands of CWR shooting red hot from a steel mill, and ribbon cuttings.

As long as it fits the "Man of Action" and "Great Leader" and "Making America/USA First" narrative, he doesn't care what's being built or where. If Kate Brown (Oregon's liberal governor) had said she needed a $3b Planned Parenthood clinic, she'd have gotten it, so as she promised to use enough hardhats & rebar.

He would definitely not give anyone the money to build a PP facility. Just look at what he has done this week regarding the Mexico City Policy with his executive order. Or just look at his other executive orders so far. His "rhetoric" during the campaign was apparently not just words as many on the left are finding out.

It just has to have good photos in time for the 2020 primaries.

Don't want to burst your bubble, but those who voted for Trump voted for him INSPITE of the obvious blunders- many of them very much offensive by the way. So I think the voters (many of them Democrats to boot) will not just look at photographs and go "OK I'll vote for him again". They'll be looking for REAL progress, REAL results, REAL change. And if he falters on any of those things there will likely be a price to pay for that i.e. losing the 2020 re-election which he already thinks he will win.


Then again anyone in Massachusetts voting for Trump at all is a tall order in itself... ;-)
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Re: Green Line Expansion Beyond Lechmere

Postby bostontrainguy » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:15 am

Actually rather refreshing that things might actually get done now. Trump has little patience with the way projects like this drag on and on. Maybe in the next 8 years we will also see Fall River / New Bedford and a rebuilt NEC!
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Re: Green Line Expansion Beyond Lechmere

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:25 am

bostontrainguy wrote:Actually rather refreshing that things might actually get done now. Trump has little patience with the way projects like this drag on and on. Maybe in the next 8 years we will also see Fall River / New Bedford and a rebuilt NEC!


I dunno about FR/NB, since "advanced state of planning" isn't a phrase you could ever associate with the latest wild scheme the Task Force is throwing at a dartboard this month. But the GLX move probably bodes well for expediting South Station Expansion and finally un-stuck'ing the USPS relocation to Southie. That's another one that's pretty much locked-and-loaded to be shovels-in-ground within this Admin.'s 1st term where a recommended project-starts rating would be another beneficial leverage card to play with Congress in the coming months as the $1T infrastructure dog-and-pony show gets rolled out.
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Re: Green Line Expansion Beyond Lechmere

Postby jonnhrr » Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:25 pm

Hopefully we can keep this on the transit related aspects and stay out of the politics. Obviously people here have a variety of opinions all over the political spectrum.
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Re: Green Line Expansion Beyond Lechmere

Postby BandA » Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:38 pm

I can't remember where this project is. Are they busy redrawing the blueprints, or are they waiting for state funding?
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Re: Green Line Expansion Beyond Lechmere

Postby Arlington » Fri Feb 03, 2017 2:38 pm

BandA wrote:I can't remember where this project is. Are they busy redrawing the blueprints, or are they waiting for state funding?


The basic deal is they want to award a Project/Construction Manager contract in April, and select the Design-Build contractor by November.

The update given to the FMCB by the GLX team at the end of January will bring you up to speed:
http://www.mbta.com/uploadedfiles/About ... 0FINAL.pdf
Here's the recent and 2017 timeline:
1. Pre-Procurement Forum 11/16/16 (Actual)
2. Issue Request for Qualifications for Design Build (DB) Teams 12/15/16 (Actual)
3. FTA Risk Refresh 1/25/17 – 1/26/17
4. Receive Statement of Qualifications for BD 1/26/17
5. File MEPA/NEPA Documents January
6. Issue Shortlist for DB Teams 2/25/17
7. Issue Draft Request for Proposals for DB Shortlist 3/14/17
8. Submit Finance Plan Update to FTA 3/17/17
9. Hold One-on-Ones 3/28/17 – 4/20/17
10. Award Contact for Project Manager/Construction Manager April 2017
11. Issue Final Request for Proposals 5/23/17
12. Alternative Technical Concept (ATC) Process 6/8/17 – 8/9/17
13. Design Build Proposals Due 9/30/17
14. Bid Opening/Select Design Build Entity 11/28/17
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Re: Green Line Expansion Beyond Lechmere

Postby bostontrainguy » Fri Feb 03, 2017 2:49 pm

I notice that the redesign leaves center platforms but with no fare gates, how do they plan to collect fares?
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Re: Green Line Expansion Beyond Lechmere

Postby Arlington » Fri Feb 03, 2017 3:07 pm

bostontrainguy wrote:I notice that the redesign leaves center platforms but with no fare gates, how do they plan to collect fares?

Green Line will switch to Proof-of-Payment, barrier-free, fare collection, which will enable all-door boarding at all Green Line stations everywhere (including new consolidated B stations)
http://brookline.wickedlocal.com/news/2 ... ine-trains
http://www.mbta.com/about_the_mbta/news ... onth=&year

They estimate that in today's system, they lose $2m/yr vs $95m in fares collected. Other systems switching from barriers (turnstiles & driver's farebox) to barrier free experience basically the same 1% to 2% loss under barrier-free, except that it has other huge benefits (and cost savings)

- It saved maybe $200m on GLX station construction (or more?). That's a quick payback!
- Passengers experience faster strips
- Vehicles produce more trips per a fleet of the same size (it may be that the GLX gets "covered" not by the Type 9 order, but by having the current fleet just move faster all rush hour..that'd also save on yard size, or allow a quicker move to 3-car trains)
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Re: Green Line Expansion Beyond Lechmere

Postby bostontrainguy » Sat Feb 04, 2017 12:21 pm

Looking at a recent (using the 2017 historic imagery) Google Earth image of the area of "Red Bridge"/"Yard 8", there seems to be a lot of open land just east of there. Why don't they use most of this for the maintenance/storage facility? Why are they choosing to pay big bucks to buy the thriving (rail served BTW) Walker company building that is further away and oddly shaped? There looks to be a lot of usable space that is now vacant land or parking lots.
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Re: Green Line Expansion Beyond Lechmere

Postby Arlington » Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:07 pm

^yes, stupid concession to abutters. Instead of focusing on T-owned land an nearby vacant ones, We will spend more on aquiring inner belt parcels than than the sum of the home values of a few loudmouths. Should have just paid them each $100k cash at the start and been done with it.
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Re: Green Line Expansion Beyond Lechmere

Postby BostonUrbEx » Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:42 pm

Yup, they had to cave to the loudmouth, crybaby NIMBYs of the Brickbottom Artists' Co-Op -- who didn't have a leg too stand on, by the way. It sets a lovely precedent going forward.
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