Type 7 Overhaul Program

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Postby Gerry6309 » Sun Jun 24, 2007 1:12 pm

Paint schemes have always been a bone of contention with the MBTA. As long as the cars seem to be being used more as Apple Computer billboards, the gray/silver shows up the contrasting ads quite well. The older orange scheme at Mattapan wouldn't do as well on that . On the other hand the Yellow/white scheme on the new buses, which is a descendent of the older (1970s) bus scheme with the blue stripe replacing one black stripe seems to be popular, as do the Orange and Blue Line schemes without the stripes. The Stainless Steel schemes used on various rail cars and the silver line buses are resistant to vandalism, but seem harder to keep clean in general. The Type 7 & 8 scheme with the teal has visibility problems and isn't too popular in this community, where photography is an issue, but makes a great background for those Apple ads! Hmmmm.

As an aside, I know I might get some flack for talking about bus schemes here, but the MBTA has always been one of the most integrated transit systems, and the previously mentioned Cambridge Seven was an attempt to create a system wide scheme.

The important issue is: Are the cars easily recognized by operators of other vehicles on the street and pedestrians? If the answer is "Yes" then the scheme is ok. Otherwise, as Abe Lincoln is reputed to have said, "You can please some of the people..."
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Postby orange1234 » Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:29 pm

So does anyone know what kind of modifications will be done to the Type 7s? Will they receive AC traction motors?
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Postby RailBus63 » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:49 am

Any pics of the repainted car?
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Postby number1tfan » Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:32 am

orange1234 wrote:So does anyone know what kind of modifications will be done to the Type 7s? Will they receive AC traction motors?

Cool idea, I just love hearing the new cars whine.
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Postby MBTA3247 » Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:40 am

orange1234 wrote:So does anyone know what kind of modifications will be done to the Type 7s? Will they receive AC traction motors?

Unlikely. That would require the installation of an inverter, which would almost certainly require other stuff be moved around to make room for it. The benefits of AC traction over DC are too marginal to justify the cost of replacing the entire propulsion system, especially with the amount of debt the T already has.
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Postby type 7 3704 » Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:19 am

Plus the propulsion system is doing very good, so theres no need to replace them. Good ol' PCC technology.

Off-topic, but how much debt does the T have?
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Postby Gerry6309 » Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:30 am

type 7 3704 wrote:Plus the propulsion system is doing very good, so theres no need to replace them. Good ol' PCC technology.

Off-topic, but how much debt does the T have?


Type 7s do not use PCC technology. They are as modern as the LRVs were, the big difference is that troublesome components were re-engineered to make it more reliable. Foot pedal control does not mean PCC control.

The MBTA debt rivals that of the government... Only difference is that they aren't allowed to print money. :)
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Postby Arborway » Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:15 pm

I'm putting my vote in for "Bell chains replaced by bell tape".

type 7 3704 wrote:Off-topic, but how much debt does the T have?


Around 8 billion.
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Postby MBTA3247 » Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:20 pm

Gerry6309 wrote:
type 7 3704 wrote:Plus the propulsion system is doing very good, so theres no need to replace them. Good ol' PCC technology.

Off-topic, but how much debt does the T have?


Type 7s do not use PCC technology. They are as modern as the LRVs were, the big difference is that troublesome components were re-engineered to make it more reliable. Foot pedal control does not mean PCC control.

I thought a lot of the Type 7 components were derived from their PCC counterparts (hence the greater reliability), whereas everything on the Boeings was a brand new design.
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Postby sery2831 » Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:50 pm

I honestly think this rebuild wont have much to do with the propulsion system, since Breda just did this type of work on the cars. It's more than likely to be frame/body work. Maybe new floors, walls, lighting, and ASAs.
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Postby redline43 » Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:18 pm

New destination signs! :-D

I wish...
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Postby Guilford Guy » Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:36 pm

Does that mean there may be kinki signs up for grabs... :-D
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Postby -Garrett » Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:08 pm

Just to reel this thing back in, could somebody please try to catch a photo of the newly repainted Type 7 ?

I for one an curious to see if they are going with that previously seen Green and Yellow experimental design, if it is a return to something more similar to what the LRV's were wrapped in.
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Postby RailFan2103 » Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:12 pm

Guilford Guy wrote:Does that mean there may be kinki signs up for grabs... :-D


What did they do with the Kinki signs that were on the trains that already had their signs changed to LED?
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Postby AznSumtinSumtin » Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:33 pm

RailFan2103 wrote:
Guilford Guy wrote:Does that mean there may be kinki signs up for grabs... :-D


What did they do with the Kinki signs that were on the trains that already had their signs changed to LED?

They're not Kinki signs. They're roll signs. The roll signs did not change to LED. They were replaced with LCD signs.
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