Type 7 Overhaul Program

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Re: Type 7 Overhaul Program

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:44 am

The program passed the asbsolute halfway point sometime in the last two weeks!

55 active rebuilds today
vs.
24 active non-rebuilds (11 3600's + 13 3700's) + 20 OOS for rebuild (19 3600's + 1 3700) + 4 stored wrecks (1 3600 + 3 3700's) to be rebuilt and returned to service = 48 cars (31 3600's + 17 3700's) yet to be rebuilt

+8 remaining wrecks (5 3600's + 3 3700's) to be scrapped for parts = 111 presently rostered 3600's & 3700's


3686 and 3692 still hanging tough in the original paint job, as the last few Alstom departees have been drained from the new paint job (only 3 active new-paint non-rebuilds left). 6 active puke-teal 3600's left.
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Re: Type 7 Overhaul Program

Postby Diverging Route » Wed Jun 28, 2017 1:07 pm

3698 seen this afternoon eastbound on the Masspike. On a flatbed, of course :D
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Re: Type 7 Overhaul Program

Postby electricron » Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:14 pm

Since the rebuilding program has passed the halfway point, can anyone give a review of the quality of the rebuild, and whether the rebuilt ones are more reliable? Is it still too soon for such a review?
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Re: Type 7 Overhaul Program

Postby johnpbarlow » Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:42 pm

Rode recently rebuilt 3661 today and it made this very loud "creaking" sound that seemed like it was the frame twisiting(?) on straight track on the Riverside line. Not a pleasant ride experience.
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Re: Type 7 Overhaul Program

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:32 pm

electricron wrote:Since the rebuilding program has passed the halfway point, can anyone give a review of the quality of the rebuild, and whether the rebuilt ones are more reliable? Is it still too soon for such a review?


They're sooooooo clean and bright inside! Much quieter, too, since the insulation got replaced behind the all-new paneling and really makes a difference at dampening the sound. And the new HVAC is a lot more forceful than the old units; more like a 3700 where you can feel the all-around more potent air circulation. I'm sure a few of them have break-in rattles like jpb describes in his post, but that's been the exception rather than rule in my experience.

Personally, I love 'em. Best "like-new" T vehicle experience I can remember in 21 years as a rider (though credit where due to the ongoing New Flyer 40-footer procurement being the nicest new rubber-tire purchase they've made in a long time). They feel a lot like the 3700's did when they were brand new and shiny. I'll even pass up a non-rebuild consist nowadays on coin-flip odds that the next train will have a rebuild in it, because the non-rebuilds are so damn depressing by comparison (and I always opt for the 7 over the 8 in the consist to avoid the 8s' inferior crowd-control). Tired, grimy, jaundiced...icky. It's absolutely amazing what taking care of business will do to breathe new life into rock-solid old rolling stock.
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Re: Type 7 Overhaul Program

Postby Adams_Umass_Boston » Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:28 pm

I agree! I will actively seek one out. I love how clean and well lit they are.
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Re: Type 7 Overhaul Program

Postby doublebell » Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:46 am

3668 was seen headed west on a trailer yesterday, 29 June 2017.
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Re: Type 7 Overhaul Program

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:02 pm

The final 10 active 3600 non-rebuilds, for your tracking purposes:

3616 (teal)
3620 (teal)
3647 (teal)
3660 (new green)
3674 (teal)
3681 (new green)
3682 (teal)
3686 (original green)
3692 (original green)
3694 (new green)
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Re: Type 7 Overhaul Program

Postby bgl » Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:10 pm

So, odd question - but does anyone know if the old Kinki-Sharyo build plates (that are now replaced with Alstom ones on the rebuilds) might be available to get (or know anyone who might)? I tried Wardmaps and they said they wouldn't be getting them. Would just be a nice little historic memento.
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Re: Type 7 Overhaul Program

Postby Philip Wirth » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:51 pm

Of 616, 620, and 647 is it known which cars retain pull cords?

Also, is 682 one of the last cars to get converted because of concerns from being the pilot upgrade car, or just luck of the draw?
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Re: Type 7 Overhaul Program

Postby Rbts Stn » Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:25 pm

Just got to ride on 3698 (I believe -- see my other post in the subway delay thread which is why I can't remember everything that happened today) from Government Station to Park Street. I had been waiting for a C train and 6 others went by so I thought maybe they were turning Cs at Park (I had just ridden in from Brookline to Govt. Center on a C 2 hours earlier) and I saw a fresh painted, no outside ads 3698 heading west so I rode it to Park Street. Love that "new train smell!"

And from there my ride got worse
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Re: Type 7 Overhaul Program

Postby StefanW » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:46 am

I don't think I mentioned this previously... Apologies if this is old news.

Starting earlier this year the real-time data for Green Line trains includes the car numbers for the entire train - even a three-car train. I added an additional column to the table in my app (directly below the map) where you can see the trailing car IDs. Because you can sort the table on any column it makes it possible to easily find / follow any Green Line vehicle.

If anyone is trying to shoot and/or ride the last pre-rebuild cars this is a way you can track them down.
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Re: Type 7 Overhaul Program

Postby WatertownCarBarn » Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:10 pm

Please excuse the naive question, but when the Type 7's are being taken or returned from Riverside, how is the transfer from rail to trailer made?
Roll on/off or crane? Thanks.
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Re: Type 7 Overhaul Program

Postby MBTA3247 » Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:45 pm

Roll on/roll off.
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Re: Type 7 Overhaul Program

Postby Stephen » Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:03 pm

StefanW wrote:I don't think I mentioned this previously... Apologies if this is old news.

Starting earlier this year the real-time data for Green Line trains includes the car numbers for the entire train - even a three-car train. I added an additional column to the table in my app (directly below the map) where you can see the trailing car IDs. Because you can sort the table on any column it makes it possible to easily find / follow any Green Line vehicle.

If anyone is trying to shoot and/or ride the last pre-rebuild cars this is a way you can track them down.


That is all pretty slick; thanks for sharing.
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