North-South Rail Link Discussion

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Tallguy
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Re: North-South Rail Link Discussion

Post by Tallguy » Tue May 21, 2019 2:23 pm

Agreed
It is very frustrating to see major expenditures planned for the next few years that will either lock us into the status quo or be useless quickly.
Two that come to mind are the 200 bi-level coach RFP and the rebuild/add on the NS drawbridges, to the tune of 100mill. We need long term vision, ala GLT...

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Re: North-South Rail Link Discussion

Post by BandA » Wed May 22, 2019 1:04 am

How do bi-level coaches prevent building the N-S rail link? Also drawbridges don't really impact underground stations that will be built 20 years from now.

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Re: North-South Rail Link Discussion

Post by Nasadowsk » Thu May 23, 2019 6:11 am

Beats me. A good chunk of the RER is underground, and they run a LOT of bilevel trains. Most of it is 25kv too, IIRC.

Was'nt the NSRL supposed to be built as part of the conditions to get funding for the Big Waste, errrrr Big Dig?

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Re: North-South Rail Link Discussion

Post by Bramdeisroberts » Thu May 23, 2019 8:06 am

BandA wrote:How do bi-level coaches prevent building the N-S rail link? Also drawbridges don't really impact underground stations that will be built 20 years from now.
Tunnel clearances, maybe? Though the only reason why clearance issues exist at NYP is that the station is serviced by hundred year-old tunnels on either side that pre-date the existence of bilevel coaches, and building the NSRL tunnels to clear a K-car would be relatively simple.

But yeah, any NSRL is nearly 20 years away at best, and even if it does get built, the T will still need the loco hauled consists and surface terminals because it just isn't cost-effective to electrify all the way to Fall River, New Bedford, Plymouth, Newburyport, Fitchburg, Rockport, Haverhill, etc and you'll still need diesel-hauled trains to the surface terminals from those far-flung locales. So yeah, even if the tunnels can't clear a K-car, it's utterly irrelevant, as the NSRL will likely involve a massive new rolling stock order anyways while in 20 years the existing K and R fleet, now 45 and 25 years old, respectively, will probably be headed to the scrapyard anyways.

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Re: North-South Rail Link Discussion

Post by CRail » Fri May 24, 2019 1:29 pm

How are there clearance issues with a tunnel that doesn’t exist? You don’t build something that’s not compatible with updated fleet standards.
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Re: North-South Rail Link Discussion

Post by Tallguy » Sat May 25, 2019 2:50 pm

BandA wrote:How do bi-level coaches prevent building the N-S rail link? Also drawbridges don't really impact underground stations that will be built 20 years from now.
It doesn't prevent building the NSRL, but it does potentially push off buying EMUs to run in them. Sorry, I was using two examples, one directly related to the tunnel, one not as much..

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