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Re: Orange Line questions

Postby FatNoah » Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:37 am

Wasn't the Oak Grove CR platform used when the Democratic Convention was in Boston?
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Re: Orange Line questions

Postby octr202 » Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:41 am

IIRC, yes it was, when Western Route trains terminated there due to the North Station closure. Also, it's been used during the weekend outages on the Orange Line during the signal project a couple years back, even at times with a shuttle train between North Station and Oak Grove (my memory is fuzziest on that, but I seem to remember it).
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Re: Orange Line questions

Postby jbvb » Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:34 am

Once in a while (twice I've been on board the CR train involved), if the Orange Line north is screwed up during the morning rush, they'll stop an inbound CR train at both Oak Grove and Malden and pick up inbound passengers. I've never seen diversion to CR outbound from North Station in the afternoon.

AFAIK there is only one, a-few-times-a-year freight customer left between Sullivan Sq. and Lawrence, on the old Medford branch. Most of the grade crossings between Wyoming and Reading are close to stations, so subway trains wouldn't have been moving very fast when crossing.
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Re: Orange Line questions

Postby StevieC48 » Thu Jul 08, 2010 3:27 pm

Not sure if it was mentioned in an earlier post but when the North Station pier caught fire in 82 I believe, they used Oak Grove CR platform and built a temp boarding platform at Sullivan Sq over the 3rd track for the Rockport and Ipswich trains.
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A few Random Orange Line Questions

Postby ant8904 » Sun Aug 08, 2010 1:22 am

A few question on my mind that been in my head for a long time.

1. There's a little tunnel between Malden Station and Wellington. Anyone know why that exist? There's some tracks above it, but it goes to nowhere.

2. Community College station 2nd platform is closed and I tell why as it pretty obvious. However, what doesn't make sense is why they still make preparations for an elevator and why it stayed open for so long. So why did that platform is only shut down relatively recently? Also why did they bother putting the framework with an elevator shaft for that platform? I know it is kinda future proofing, but I don't really see any scenario that would require that unless they still have hope that the orange line can still be extended to Reading.
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Re: A few Random Orange Line Questions

Postby sery2831 » Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:27 am

ant8904 wrote:A few question on my mind that been in my head for a long time.

1. There's a little tunnel between Malden Station and Wellington. Anyone know why that exist? There's some tracks above it, but it goes to nowhere.


The Medford Branch, which is still used.

ant8904 wrote:2. Community College station 2nd platform is closed and I tell why as it pretty obvious. However, what doesn't make sense is why they still make preparations for an elevator and why it stayed open for so long. So why did that platform is only shut down relatively recently? Also why did they bother putting the framework with an elevator shaft for that platform? I know it is kinda future proofing, but I don't really see any scenario that would require that unless they still have hope that the orange line can still be extended to Reading.


The platform has been out of service many years, and during the big Dig the third track was removed from service and the platform was used for equipment storage. The elevator frame work/provision is there for possible future use. Not necessarily for the OL to be extended, but for possible service using the 3rd track.
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Re: Orange Line questions

Postby StevieC48 » Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:41 am

It was not in service when I started railfanning at 14. Not sure if it was ever used anyone??
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Re: Orange Line questions

Postby sixflagscoasters » Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:12 pm

^ What year was it when you were 14 years old Stevie?
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Re: A few Random Orange Line Questions

Postby ant8904 » Sun Aug 08, 2010 8:22 pm

sery2831 wrote:
ant8904 wrote:A few question on my mind that been in my head for a long time.

1. There's a little tunnel between Malden Station and Wellington. Anyone know why that exist? There's some tracks above it, but it goes to nowhere.


The Medford Branch, which is still used.

ant8904 wrote:2. Community College station 2nd platform is closed and I tell why as it pretty obvious. However, what doesn't make sense is why they still make preparations for an elevator and why it stayed open for so long. So why did that platform is only shut down relatively recently? Also why did they bother putting the framework with an elevator shaft for that platform? I know it is kinda future proofing, but I don't really see any scenario that would require that unless they still have hope that the orange line can still be extended to Reading.


The platform has been out of service many years, and during the big Dig the third track was removed from service and the platform was used for equipment storage. The elevator frame work/provision is there for possible future use. Not necessarily for the OL to be extended, but for possible service using the 3rd track.


1. What Medford branch? You mean the Lowell line? Then we aren't talking about the same place. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=42.411073,-71.076525&sll=42.411528,-71.076844&sspn=0.011375,0.027874&ie=UTF8&ll=42.411069,-71.076458&spn=0.011375,0.027874&t=h&z=16 Again, it goes to nowhere.

2. I remember standing on that platform back in high school, which is only a few years back (So 3-6 years ago). That's why I said relatively recently. Still, it remained open for a good, long time before it closed within the last decade. That brings a question of why. Also, why would they have any reason of activating the 3rd track, it is just too short to ever be viable unless it is extended in some sort. So why build the elevator framework?
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Re: Orange Line questions

Postby AznSumtinSumtin » Sun Aug 08, 2010 8:36 pm

The Medford Branch is exactly what you see on Google Maps. It is a short rail line used by Pan Am Railways to deliver freight to a customer in Medford. As far as I know, subway tracks cannot cross railroad tracks without obtaining waivers from the FRA, having certain features on the subway trains, requiring subway motormen to be FRA certified, etc. It would just be too much of a hassle. That is why the tunnel just north of Wellington was built.
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Re: A few Random Orange Line Questions

Postby BostonUrbEx » Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:33 pm

ant8904 wrote:Also, why would they have any reason of activating the 3rd track, it is just too short to ever be viable unless it is extended in some sort. So why build the elevator framework?


The 3rd track comes in handy for disabled Northbound trains between Bunker Hill and Wellington. Also could make for good express use even though the line is relatively short and not on capacity issues [yet].
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Re: A few Random Orange Line Questions

Postby MBTA3247 » Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:58 pm

ant8904 wrote:2. I remember standing on that platform back in high school, which is only a few years back (So 3-6 years ago). That's why I said relatively recently. Still, it remained open for a good, long time before it closed within the last decade.

It was certainly closed by June 2004. I was commuting on the line at the time and I don't recall the doors ever opening for that platform.
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Re: Orange Line questions

Postby StevieC48 » Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:53 pm

sixflagscoasters wrote:^ What year was it when you were 14 years old Stevie?

LOL lets see who is president now?? lol 1986 :wink:
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Re: Orange Line questions

Postby jbvb » Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:02 pm

The Medford branch track extends across Highland Ave. in Malden. Originally it went all the way to Medford Sq. (fairly easy to follow on the ground or Google Maps), but after I-93 was finished it was cut back to a customer on the west side of Rt. 28.

I recall outbound trains opening both sets of doors at Community College, but I think that ended when the easterly concrete roof failed, IIRC in the late 1980s. The arrangement of the 3 <-> 2 junction doesn't allow the easterly track to be used for short-turn purposes, so work on an elevator for that platform is pretty textbook "management with your eyes closed".
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Re: Orange Line questions

Postby CRail » Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:54 pm

jbvb wrote:The arrangement of the 3 <-> 2 junction doesn't allow the easterly track to be used for short-turn purposes, so work on an elevator for that platform is pretty textbook "management with your eyes closed".


If the line had a fleet big enough, they could run express trains from Malden to North Station using the current northbound track as a bi-directional express track (You'd probably want to continue to stop at Sullivan, only skipping Wellington and Community College). The current right of way south of Community College allows for track re-alignment to place switches where needed to cross back to the southbound side from the center track, and the other end allows for such operation currently.
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