Remembering the 01400s

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Postby StevieC48 » Sun Oct 03, 2004 9:20 pm

Ill keep you informed and might get you some controller time wich shouldnt be a problem. And just a reminder 01490 burned up early in life during 60-70s controller group under the car caught fire and destroyed it in the tunnel. 01491 was not saved because it was a modified "expreimental car' not as factory delivered and thats why it was not saved, and 01450/55 were the first rebuilt redbirds out of Cabot shops not PX Engineering.
Farewell old friend thanks for the memories.
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Postby Robert Paniagua » Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:42 am

Wow.......

Pretty interesting, didn't know that the two slant-end 01400s were fire casualties back in their early days.

Shame that those two didn't get to see the later years of their lives......
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Postby typesix » Mon Oct 04, 2004 11:27 am

The 01400s were one of the worst riding and noisiest cars around. They were famous for bouncing and banging up and down on track Silverbirds rode over with little or no bounce. They were tremendously noisy in the subway. Just a short 10 minute ride in the subway would give temporary hearing loss. Their weight was about 69-70,000 lbs. To me, a big letdown after the 01100s of the Orange, but the T administration at the time wanted to save money on cars when the 01400s were ordered.
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Postby BC Eagle » Mon Oct 04, 2004 11:41 am

I remember riding the 01400s, although I was only 11 when they ran their last revenue service. I used to love riding them because so much about them was different from the other subway cars in operation at the time. The long red benches, the dimmer lighting, the old style fans in the ceilings, the individual handles for people standing... Even the way the doors opened seemed different to me.

What's the history behind these cars? When did they go into operation? How many operated at their peak? I'm also curious how the process of phasing them out went. When did the 01500s and 01600s come in and take over the majority of service?
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Postby typesix » Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:32 pm

Go to NE Transit under MBTA links for more info on the 01400s.
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Postby StevieC48 » Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:44 pm

The 1400's began service April 24, 1963. Unfortunetly, the new cars were victims of extreme cost cutting. Cushion seats, florecent lighting, and air condititioning were all cancelled from the specs. They were very unpopular with riders right from the begining with rough riding, excessive noise and hard uncomfortable seats being the sourse of constant complaints. In 1977 the first Redbirds (01450/55) came out of Cabot shops, Modifications included ATO, Headlights, and the first Red White and Grey paint scheme was introduced. Between 1990 & 1993 the MBTA ordered 86 new cars from Bombardier of Montreal Canada, to replace the noisy rough riding 1400's. The 1400's were all phased out completely by December 24, 1994. Please feel free to add or correct anything that is in the post. Hope this helps.
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Postby Ron Newman » Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:01 pm

I remember 1400s as being not air conditioned, which made them very uncomfortable in the summer. Am I right?
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Postby 7 Train » Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:44 pm

I never rode a 1400 (my first T ride was in 1995) but if I were to they would remind me of NYC's Redbirds. The 1400's were the T equivalent of the R27/30/30A, also retired in 1993-94 and with no A/C.
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Postby Robert Paniagua » Tue Oct 05, 2004 5:43 am

Yeap, that's true, and as for the R27/R30/R30As, I guess they must have been replaced with the rehabbed R44 and R46 cars, am I right?

Even with those setbacks, I still got to like the 01400s to ride on. Although in the summer if it were too hot, I would see passengers waving off that consist in favour of the 015/600s or 01700s (the newest cars then) which were armed with A/C.
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Postby typesix » Tue Oct 05, 2004 2:32 pm

The 01400s were the last new cars with fans only.
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Postby Robert Paniagua » Thu Oct 07, 2004 9:40 pm

Yeah I know, and coincidentally, they were also the last group of coaches to be modelled under the MTA Cambridge-Dorchester designation Era. The next car order after that, of course being the HSC-STL Pullman Standar 015/1600s, were the first cars to possess A/C, and the first group of units to be classified under the MBTA "Red Line" designation.
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difference betwwen 01100 and 014000 series

Postby ctaman34 » Fri Oct 08, 2004 7:22 pm

as the subject says
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Postby CS » Sat Oct 09, 2004 9:48 am

I have faint memories of the bluebirds (yeah, they were red in the end but that's what they really were at heart),

I was only about 8 when they went out of service and at that time, we just moved back from Brockton. The only memories I have of them is up to when I was 5 years old (before moving to Brockton). We didn't live far from Ashmont and took the T alot (since our car never seemed to work) and I remember getting the redbirds frequently. I always liked them - they were different (as everyone says) and just simply older. I always had a liking to older cars like the redbirds and PCC's...


There's my 01400's memories...
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Postby Porter Sq » Sat Oct 09, 2004 8:08 pm

I'm only 21 but the only thing i can remeber about riding the 1400's is the benchseats and the little hole in the rubber around the windows. There is a 6 car 1400 series sitting at Cabot do they use this at all?
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Postby Robert Paniagua » Sun Oct 10, 2004 11:08 am

First off, it's a four car set only, but yes there are two more 01400s at Seashore Trolley Museum (01450/55). The 01400s that you still see at Cabot Shops are 01469/80 and 01470/77. Last time I checked, those 01400s at Cabot are used between 1AM and 5AM for trash hauling purposes and snow removal.
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