Sign, sign, everywhere a sign ...

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Re: Sign, sign, everywhere a sign ...

Postby sb150 » Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:32 pm

Anyone trying to find the Red Line from the southbound Orange Line at DTX is pretty well screwed 😱
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Re: Sign, sign, everywhere a sign ...

Postby Yellowspoon » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:54 am

sb150 wrote:Anyone trying to find the Red Line from the southbound Orange Line at DTX is pretty well screwed 😱
And if one is handicapped, it's even worse. One could
  • Take the elevator to the surface, cross Washington Street, and re-enter the system by paying another fare. Of course, there are no signs for this.
  • Or take the Park/DTX passageway to the elevator at Park Street. This assumes one already knows this is possible. Passengers going from the Red Line to the southbound Orange Line would need advance knowledge of this so that they alighted at Park Street. Then, they would have to know which elevator to take at Park Street because [drum roll, please], there are no signs pointing to the correct elevator.
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Re: Sign, sign, everywhere a sign ...

Postby Yellowspoon » Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:28 pm

Back in the summer of 2014, I was walking to Faneuil Hall when I noticed this hole in the ground with "temporary" barriers protecting it. For reference, this is 175 feet south of City Hall and about 250 feet south of the former Adams Square MTA station. The only signs were the words, "TRANSIT POLICE" on the temporary barriers. These barriers were not designed to be protective barriers and their only reinforcement were sand bags.
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I have no idea how long this "temporary" structure had been in this condition before I first noticed it. It wasn't fixed in 2014. Nor was it fixed in 2015. Not until December of 2016 did I first notice that the temporary barriers had finally been replaced with a permanent, strong structure.
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So where do these stairs lead? There are no signs so the MBTA must not want you to know.
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Re: Sign, sign, everywhere a sign ...

Postby The EGE » Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:38 am

That's actually an entrance to State station - it leads to the far north end of the northbound platform. It was originally built as an Adams Square entrance for the station (see this article). After the construction of Government Center and the obliteration of Adams Square, it's not well used. I really don't understand why there is no signage there, nor why a permanent railing took so long to be added.
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Re: Sign, sign, everywhere a sign ...

Postby diburning » Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:56 am

Is it actually an entrance with fare gates? Or is it one of those exits guarded by a one-way revolving cage-door? If it's the latter, then the lack of signage would make a bit of sense.
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Re: Sign, sign, everywhere a sign ...

Postby dieciduej » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:39 am

diburning wrote:Is it actually an entrance with fare gates? Or is it one of those exits guarded by a one-way revolving cage-door? If it's the latter, then the lack of signage would make a bit of sense.


It does have Charile gates and not iron maidens. I would use it when I was going to the Newbury Comics that was over there, now Staples. As a sad note, a woman was killed there, in February 2009, when her scarf was caught in the escalator. Also at exit is closed on weekends.

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Re: Sign, sign, everywhere a sign ...

Postby deathtopumpkins » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:17 am

The EGE wrote:That's actually an entrance to State station - it leads to the far north end of the northbound platform. It was originally built as an Adams Square entrance for the station (see this article). After the construction of Government Center and the obliteration of Adams Square, it's not well used. I really don't understand why there is no signage there, nor why a permanent railing took so long to be added.


The temporary railings that were up for a few years were just that - temporary. It used to have a permanent railing.

As for why it doesn't have any signage - I'd suspect it has to do with the relationship between the T and the owner of that building. The building owner owns the land the entrance is on, and probably required there not be any signage as a condition of allowing the entrance to remain open (largely for the benefit of people who work there).
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Re: Sign, sign, everywhere a sign ...

Postby Patrick Boylan » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:56 pm

I know you're only guessing, but even so how do you think not having a sign benefits the people who work there?
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Re: Sign, sign, everywhere a sign ...

Postby diburning » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:36 pm

It probably functions as a semi-private entrance for their employees.
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