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Re: Sign, sign, everywhere a sign ...

Postby BandA » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:56 pm

If there was a loose tactile strip that was a tripping hazard, or the escalator was broken, or a light was burned out, or someone defaced a sign with graffiti someone would handle it. Don't see how this is different.
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Re: Sign, sign, everywhere a sign ...

Postby Yellowspoon » Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:13 pm

As the OP who started this thread eight months ago, it saddens me to report that none of the errors mentioned in this thread has been corrected (as of December 3rd).
--> The sign between tracks 3 & 4 still tell people to go to Haymarket to get to the Airport. To date, MBTA employees have been notified on four occasions.
--> Despite the word of an MBTA employee, there are no signs at GovCen telling patrons that BC cars do not go past Park Street. All maps except the new maps at GovCen show the B train terminating at GovCen.
--> A sign at Haymarket still says that trains to B.C. and Riverside are available, as if any tourist has any idea what "B.C." means.
--> On 29-SEP-16, user=DivergingRoute suggested that I write the Access Advisory Committee of the MBTA regarding the handicapped sign error. I did. I was assigned a case number. The problem still exists.
--> "COPLEY & WEST" What idiot thought people would know what that meant. Probably the same people that dreamed up "PARK ST. & NORTH", which I assumed meant North Station.

chrisf wrote:On the plus side, the "Green Line, to all trains" sign at the top of the stairs from the commuter rail platform at Forest Hills was covered up some time in the past few months.
There are three sign errors in this photograph. Parts of the photo are labeled, A, B, C.

Part A: The elevator says that the elevator leads to all green line trains. So I called an MBTA employee over and said, "Does this elevator go to all green line trains?" He said, "Yes". So I asked, "So if I want to take the green line to Lechmere, this is the elevator I should use?". "Well, no. That elevator leads to all trains, the B, C, D, and E". Unlike the sign at Forest Hills, this sign was incorrect the day it was installed.

Part B: These are secret stairs. Anyone walking to the south (to the right in this photograph) on the center platform will not see these stairs unless they are explicitly looking for them. There are no signs facing the oncoming pedestrians that these are the only stairs to westbound green line. I've stood here about an hour before a RedSox game and about 40% of the patrons in baseball attire walk right past this sign and wind up at track 4.

Part C: The sign for "ELEVATOR ->" faces the inside. Not only that, it points to the Lechmeme elevator when the primary green line elevator is 10m in the other direction.
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Re: Sign, sign, everywhere a sign ...

Postby Yellowspoon » Sat Jan 28, 2017 8:34 am

As many of you know, a portion of the Second Avenue subway opened earlier this month. On January 6th, I was in mid-town. I rode several trains and visited several stations. Every map that I viewed, both on trains and in stations, showed the new Q train routing. Apparently, New York keeps its passengers informed with up-to-date signs and maps. Perhaps the T should use laminated paper maps that can be easily replaced whenever there is a change.

Here in Boston, we still have signs that say Arborway. A few week ago, a customer asked me how to get to the Blue Line because the signs at Park Street still say that GovCen is closed. Or signs at Hynes that say Lechmere trains pass through there. On the other hand, it doesn't matter because anyone who reads this forum already knows their way around the T and so should everybody else.
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Re: Sign, sign, everywhere a sign ...

Postby Yellowspoon » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:55 pm

I was in Park Street on Sunday. All the green-line clocks were still set for standard time. A two-car train pulled into track four. The first car had the rollsigns turned off. Was the operator making announcements? Of course not. So I went to look at the 2nd car. It said, E-Heath Street. This was a northbound train. Ah, what the heck. Let the tourists solve the puzzle.

Here's another photo with three errors: The first is the sign that tells patrons to go to GovCen to catch a Boston College train. The second is the sign that points to the left for a Blue Line Transfer. GovCen has been reopened for a year. Way over on the right is a sign that says that "B.C." trains come through this station. Isn't it time to update these signs that are several years out-of-date? Does a tourist really know what "B.C." stands for?
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Re: Sign, sign, everywhere a sign ...

Postby diburning » Wed Mar 15, 2017 4:38 pm

Meanwhile, they covered over Riverside on a bunch of the signs on the southbound platform, but left B.C.

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Re: Sign, sign, everywhere a sign ...

Postby CRail » Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:30 am

Yellowspoon wrote:The first car had the rollsigns turned off. Was the operator making announcements? Of course not. So I went to look at the 2nd car. It said, E-Heath Street.

You can't turn the signs off in one car. Likely the destination was set and the train was making announcements on its own, but the exterior signs didn't update correctly. The people inside the train have no way of knowing that unless you tell them.
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Re: Sign, sign, everywhere a sign ...

Postby orange1234 » Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:46 pm

Yellowspoon wrote: Does a tourist really know what "B.C." stands for?


On the new signs at Government Center, I love this one: Green Line - North Station and North

I know what that means, but from a tourist's perspective: what!?!? Why did the T decide to remove the word "to" from their signs? How is "Green Line - North Station and North" an improvement over "To North Station and Lechmere"?
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Re: Sign, sign, everywhere a sign ...

Postby jwhite07 » Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:40 am

I know what that means, but from a tourist's perspective: what!?!? Why did the T decide to remove the word "to" from their signs? How is "Green Line - North Station and North" an improvement over "To North Station and Lechmere"?


Saves them from having to go back and put up a new sign when the Green Line gets extended to College Avenue and Union Square.
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Re: Sign, sign, everywhere a sign ...

Postby deathtopumpkins » Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:05 am

Also, "to North Station and Lechmere" ignores the existence of Haymarket and Science Park.

North Station gets mentioned because it's the next 'major' station, and also where half the trains terminate (for now).
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Re: Sign, sign, everywhere a sign ...

Postby orange1234 » Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:27 am

Still, I don't understand why it couldn't have been "Green Line - To North Station and Points North". Why has the T been removing words from their signs recently? "Blue Line - To Bowdoin" makes more sense than "Blue Line - Bowdoin", especially for tourists or people whose first language isn't English.
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Re: Sign, sign, everywhere a sign ...

Postby CRail » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:43 pm

deathtopumpkins wrote:Also, "to North Station and Lechmere" ignores the existence of Haymarket and Science Park.

North Station gets mentioned because it's the next 'major' station, and also where half the trains terminate (for now).

North Station and Lechmere are destinations. People are told to take a Lechmere or North Station train, and so the signs on the wall tell you where to get the train with the matching sign. Does "To Alewife" ignore Davis, Porter, Harvard, Central, Kendall, and Charles? No. That wouldn't make sense. Should the sign that says I90 To NY list every town that has an exit? Let's not be ridiculous. Then, of course, Copley is the last stop served by all westbound trains, so it's the stop they list for that direction. Considering it's what most people are looking for l, I'd probably have put "Trains to Park Street, Copley, and points west."

Points north and points west is exactly what the signage should say, I'm with that completely. North Station and North is as foolish as it gets.
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Re: Sign, sign, everywhere a sign ...

Postby deathtopumpkins » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:54 pm

No, I'm not suggesting that at all. I know you're always looking for an excuse to argue and antagonize, but we're actually in agreement here.

I was just pointing out that the T's probable logic in choosing "North Station and North" is that it both singles out a destination (which is also the next 'major' station, and the one that all trains stopping there go to) and includes all stations (present and future) in that direction, rather than implying that trains leaving from this platform only go to specific places.
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