F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:David Benton wrote:Seven years notice , and they've done zero planning???
If that is not blowing a raspberry to the regulators, i don't know what is .
Does anyone know how much the various railroads have actually spent on PTC implementation to date ?
I can tell you per the MBTA's own FY2016 Capital Improvements Plan just released they have earmarked only $23M...next year...for PTC, with a remaining unfunded cost estimate of $414M for finishing the job: http://www.mbta.com/uploadedfiles/About ... 052615.pdf.
They've spent $1.7M to-date. Total...since the mandate was handed down nearly 7 years ago. And comparing with the figures published in last year's official capital budget (http://www.mbta.com/uploadedfiles/About ... rogram.pdf) only about $450,000 was spent on it last year, less than they were budgeted for. The rest of that total was all 2013 and prior. That's right...they left money on the table and basically took all of 2014 off from PTC planning. They advertised their bids for 220 MHz spectrum acquisition last year...I think was awarded a few months ago and that's what most of the $23M is going towards. I don't think the installation contracts have even been advertised.
This is their 2014 PTC Implementation Plan annual report: http://www.regulations.gov/contentStrea ... ntType=pdf. All 3-1/2 pages of it. In short: they were going to spend most of 2014 having meetings with stakeholders...and the rest was TBD and "we'll get back to you." About the only thing they're set on is rolling stock; all of their locomotives and cab cars are equipped because of the NEC and final retirements of their last non-ACSES equipment this spring/summer with last stragglers now in their final weeks of revenue service. But yeah...less-than bupkis out in the field, in the back office, on engineering or even advertising the implementation bids, and on funding. Compare with the MTA, which took out loans to fund every cent of its $1B implementation cost for both LIRR and MNRR and awarded all its contracts months ago so they had ironclad alibi for having it all in-reach by deadline...only needing the extension for completion of the actual construction in the field.
Yeah...Boston's screwed. Maybe the most screwed of any commuters in the country if the T gets sanctioned for pulling a ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Not to mention 2 Amtrak routes going straight in the crosshairs.
U.S. railroads that fail to implement a safety technology system known as positive train control, or PTC, will face federal fines beginning Jan. 1, the top federal railroad regulator said on Wednesday.
Sarah Feinberg, acting administrator of the Federal Railroad Administration, told a House of Representatives oversight panel that the fines could be assessed per violation, per day, depending on a railroad's implementation progress.
"The total amount of penalty each railroad faces depends upon the total amount of implementation progress the railroad has made," she said.
As examples, Feinberg said fines could include $2,500 for failure to keep records and $25,000 for failure to complete PTC implementation on a track section.
Backshophoss wrote:When the FRA comes sniffing around,MBTA can claim partial compliance by pointing at the NEC,and all their
Cab Cars and locos on the Southside are rigged for ACSES.....
The Senate passed $350 billion legislation to renew federal highway and rail programs for six years, 65-34, but the measure gives railroads another three years to install positive train control.
millerm277 wrote:Well, it looks like the Senate has just voted to give a 3 year extension on the deadline.
http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/20 ... _that.html
A short quote:The Senate passed $350 billion legislation to renew federal highway and rail programs for six years, 65-34, but the measure gives railroads another three years to install positive train control.
F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:millerm277 wrote:Well, it looks like the Senate has just voted to give a 3 year extension on the deadline.
http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/20 ... _that.html
A short quote:The Senate passed $350 billion legislation to renew federal highway and rail programs for six years, 65-34, but the measure gives railroads another three years to install positive train control.
Good. Now the MBTA can sit on its hands for 2-1/2 more years before pants-crapping panic breaks out over wasting a full decade procrastinating.
dbperry wrote:AFAIK, the extension did not pass.
According to this report about the Fiscal Control Board's first report, "The board also wants to further examine positive train control, a technology that could help prevent train crashes."
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/0 ... %3Atwitter
"examine?" What in the world? How about I "examine" the idea of paying taxes, or registering my car, or doing anything else required by law?
And there is this report out of NY/NJ today:
http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/n ... -shut-down
I can't imagine the country will actually shutdown on 1/1/16 because nobody has PTC. But nobody is blinking in this game of chicken yet.
F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:Blue/Red/Orange flavor CBTC's a whole lot more straightforward. That can not only serve a state-of-repair purpose by retiring a lot of aging trackside hardware for cheaper-to-maintain and fewer-in-number RFID transponders, but also do the same capacity enhancement that NYC is pursuing. That one is not at all controversial, and Red especially would benefit with better fine-tuning of the downtown traffic clog.
Gerry6309 wrote:F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:Blue/Red/Orange flavor CBTC's a whole lot more straightforward. That can not only serve a state-of-repair purpose by retiring a lot of aging trackside hardware for cheaper-to-maintain and fewer-in-number RFID transponders, but also do the same capacity enhancement that NYC is pursuing. That one is not at all controversial, and Red especially would benefit with better fine-tuning of the downtown traffic clog.
Slowing down the service even further as more complexity replaces already unreliable equipment.
The only way to speed up service is to give control back to the person in the cab, and give him the information he needs to control the train properly. If that is best accomplished with relays in little glass housings - so be it!
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“Congress enacted this law, including the December 31, 2015, deadline, and we believe it is important that the Department of Transportation enforce the law that Congress passed,” Frank Benenati, a White House spokesman, said Wednesday, the day after lawmakers released a letter from Amtrak saying it might suspend some passenger service if the delay isn’t enacted.
MBTA plans safety upgrade for commuter rail
The Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority plans to spend an estimated $451.3 million to install technology meant to prevent accidents such as the Amtrak derailment that killed eight people in Philadelphia in May.
The fiscal control board that oversees the agency on Monday voted 4-0 to approve the contract to install what’s known as “positive train control” on all commuter rail lines that don’t already have it. The technology is designed to automatically slow trains on certain stretches of track.
The project could mean weekend shutdowns for commuter rail lines starting in March 2017 and continuing into 2018. Officials said the shutdowns would accelerate installation and save money.
The bipartisan legislation extending the deadline to December 31 2018 was passed by the House of Representatives on October 27 and by the Senate the following day. The legislation also empowers the Transportation Secretary to approve further extensions of up to two years for individual railways on a case-by-case basis.
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