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Fate of the FP10s

Postby jmar896 » Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:52 pm

I am wondering if anyone knows where any of the ex-MBTA FP10s are currently located or there ultimate fate.
I have found one confirmed at Gold Coast RR museum (1101). I am not sure about any others. Here is some information on some of them I found online.
1105 FP10 Northern Stored 3589 12/46
(F3A) Central Ry. ex MBTA 1105, nee GM&O 801B
remanufactured ICG, date unknown

1106 FP10 Northern Stored 3592 12/46
(F3A) Central Ry. ex MBTA 1106, nee GM&O 803A
remanufactured ICG, date unknown

1108 FP10 Northern Stored 3599 12/46
(F3A) Central Ry. ex MBTA 1108, nee GM&O 806B
remanufactured ICG, date unknown

1112 FP10 Northern Stored 3945 6/47
(F3A) Central Ry. ex MBTA 1112, nee GM&O 808B
remanufactured ICG, date unknown

1150 FP10 Northern Stored 4998 6/47
(F3A) Central Ry ex IC 1920, nee GM&O 885A
remanufactured ICG, date unknown

1100 FP10 Northern Stored 3592 12/46
(F3A) Central Ry. ex CCRR 1100, ex MBTA 1100, nee GM&O 805A
remanufactured ICG, date unknown

1101 FP10 Northern Stored 3586 12/46
(F3A) Central Ry. ex MBTA 1101, nee GM&O 800A
remanufactured ICG, date unknown

1114 FP10 Northern Stored 3950 6/47
(F3A) Central Ry. ex CCRR 1114, ex MBTA 1114, nee GM&O 811A
remanufactured ICG, date unknown

1153 FP10 Cape Cod Hyannis, MA Stored? 4996 6/47
(F3A) Central ex MBTA 1153, nee GM&O 883A
remanufactured ICG, date unknown
(Source:http://membrane.com/~elmer/rail/units/f_units.html)
6 of the FP10s are said to be scrapped, and 4 of them went to Metro North where they are said to have operated until 2009.
I am wondering if anyone has info on any of the units from recently? Most of the information I find is outdated, and I would like to gather some information to create a database with newer, updated information.
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Re: Fate of the FP10s

Postby jwhite07 » Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:38 pm

Others might have newer data, but this is what I've gleaned from a quick Internet search:

1100 - San Luis and Rio Grande Railroad (Active as of 2014)
1101 - Gold Coast Railroad Museum (painted as "Seaboard 4033", near-derelict condition as of 2014)
1102, 1103, 1104 - unknown
1105 - New Orleans and Gulf Coast Railway (parts?)
1106 - Idaho, Northern and Pacific Railroad (active as of 2011)
1107 - unknown
1108 - Idaho, Northern and Pacific Railroad (parts?)
1109 - became MNCR 410, retired, current status unknown
1110, 1111 - unknown
1112 - Idaho, Northern and Pacific Railroad (active as of 2011)
1113 - became MNCR 411, retired, current status unknown
1114 - San Luis and Rio Grande Railroad (inactive?)
1150 - Nebraska Central Railroad (active as of 2011)
1151 - became MNCR 412, to Adirondack Scenic Railroad 1502 (active as of 2014)
1152 - became MNCR 413, retired, current status unknown
1153 - Edaville Railroad, "stuffed and mounted"
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Re: Fate of the FP10s

Postby MACTRAXX » Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:15 pm

JM and JW: Tom Nelligan - a member of Railroad.net - wrote a very informative article about the MBTA F10s
that was published in the July 1983 edition of Railfan and Railroad Magazine on pages 28 to 33 that was
titled "Boston's Reincarnated F Units".

All 19 of the units were rebuilt at the Illinois Central Gulf Railroad Paducah, Kentucky shops between July 1978
and October 1979. Eighteen of the units were former GM&O F3s with just one - the 1104 (formerly GM&O 812)
was a F7. Four of these units - 1150-51-52-53 were rebuilt with steam generators that were replaced with HEP
capability later on during the decade of the 1980s...

Since Mr. Nelligan is a fellow member of these forums I will defer any further information about this writing
to him since he may be able to scan and/or post a link to his article which I have no capability to...

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Re: Fate of the FP10s

Postby DutchRailnut » Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:33 pm

MN 410 and 412 got scrapped in Ohio by frontier industrial FICX
MN 413 is still in Harmon it belongs to a railroad museum.
If Conductors are in charge, why are they promoted to be Engineer???

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Re: Fate of the FP10s

Postby blackcap » Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:07 pm

1111 suffered a major fire early in 1988:

David Hutchinson's photo: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2094766
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Re: Fate of the FP10s

Postby jmar896 » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:07 pm

Thanks for the help so far. I've been researching more and I have found out that 1105 was scrapped in 2010. There is a video of the scrapping on YouTube
https://youtu.be/YawPo3i8yac

#1110 has no records of moving to a new railroad or being sold that I can find. I know a few units were leased to Cape Cod Central during the early 90s and one was locomotive was used for parts due to something going bad in the lubrication system. I wonder if that unit was 1110. It seems like it did not have any problems when it was close to retirement considering it was being used on 5/29/91, but who knows. Stuff can go wrong in an instant.

Does anyone know if any units have not been painted over or still remain in MBTA or Metro-North livery?
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Re: Fate of the FP10s

Postby GP40MC1118 » Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:23 am

Somewhere in this MBTA Forum I listed all the dispositions of the FP10's. Have extensive
notes on all of them, but thanks for the INPR scrap links...Which I didn't know about.

The 1110 was sold to Naparano July 1993 along with the 1102,1103,1104 & 1107. All
were shipped off the property 8 & 9/83 via Conrail/Beacon Park.

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Re: Fate of the FP10s

Postby GP40MC1118 » Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:57 am

1100 Leased to Cape Cod Railroad 2/92 to 1/98.
Sold 8/99 to Ken Bitten (d-Mid-Atlantic Railcar). Sent to Indian Head Central.
Leased 5/02 to Somerset Terminal Rwy.
Leased 1/03 to Orlando & Mt.Dora RR (Deal fell through).
Leased 12/03 to St.Marys Railroad for 6 months. Moves as SDBB 1100.
Sold 2/06 to Permian Basin RR. Shipped as HSMR 1100 to SLRG.

1101 Same as the 1100 up to and including Indian Head Central.
Sold 4/02 to Gold Coast Museum (GOCX 4033 via Ozark Mountain Railcar(d).
Repaired and repainted by RMDI into Seaboard colors.

1102 Sold 7/93 to Naparano. Shipped 8/22/93. Scrapped.
1103 Sold 7/93 to Naparano. Shipped 8/22/93. Scrapped.
1104 Sold 7/93 to Naparano. Shipped 8/22/93. Scrapped.

1105 Same as the 1100, except sold to Rio Grande Pacific and assigned to the New
Orleans & Gulf Coast 1105. Never ran ran and listed for sale 5/01. Sent to INPR.
Scrapped 5/2010 by Pacific Recyclers.

1106 Same as the 1105. Sent to INPR. Status unknown?

1107 Same as 1102. Shipped 8/22/93. Scrapped.

1108 Same as the 1105. Shipped as INPR 1108 3/25/00, but sent to the NO&GC. Not used.
Sent to INPR. Scrapped 5/2010 by Pacific Recyclers.

1109 Sold 6/92 to Metro-North 410. Retired 2011 and sold to FICX for scrap. Was still reported
stored in Ashtabula, Ohio January 2012. Anyone have an update or scrap month/year.

1110 Same as the 1102. Shipped 9/12/93. Scrapped.

1111 Same as the 1102. Shipped 9/12/93. Scrapped.

1112 Same as the 1105. Shipped 5/03/00 as INPR 1112 to the NO&GC. Sent to INPR.

1113 Sold 6/92 to Metro-North 411. Retired 2011 and sold to FICX for scrap. Same fate as the 1109.

1114 Same as the 1100 & 1101 up to and including the Mount Dora failed leased. Briefly leased to a
power plant in Morgantown, Md. Stored there until sold 2/06 to Permian Basin RR. Finally shipped
3/08 as SLGR 1114.

1150 Same as the 1105, but assigned to the Nebraska Central. Sent to INPR

1151 Sold 6/92 to Metro-North 412. Sold 2002 to Adirondack Scenic 1502

1152 Sold 6/92 to Metro-North 413. Stored on MNCR.

1153 Same as the 1100. However, it was quickly sold 8/99 to the Cape Cod Central. Was to be converted to
a control car at the then sister-operation Quincy Bay Terminal in Quincy, Ma. for the CCC's scenic train
operation. Project died when their was an ownership change. Retained by QBT interests and sent 1/8/00
to Edaville RR for display. Prime mover and traction motors were removed. At one point it was painted
into ATSF colors. Still there, but now may be solid red.

It should be noted that all the Rio Grande Pacific units were repainted into the red/gray scheme in Thunderport,
NY (Ebenezer Car?)

Other miscellaneous fun facts:
-All units were out of service by November 1991. A few of the last runs were paired units back to back. The
last one I can remember for sure went to Ipswich. One unit had a failure. Back in the next day and the pair were
broken up.
-1109,1113,1151 & 1152 were the last units in service on the MBTA. The last run was likely the 1151 on 1/13/92
on a BET Switcher move.
-Rumor: All units except the MNCR & Cape Cod units were reported sold in 1993 to Maine DOT which proved false.
This purported sale continues to resurface from time to time.

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Re: Fate of the FP10s

Postby blackcap » Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:44 pm

1153 is indeed red now:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3656819 (photo taken October 2013)
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Re: Fate of the FP10s

Postby BandA » Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:24 pm

blackcap wrote:1153 is indeed red now:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3656819 (photo taken October 2013)
That's revolting.
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Re: Fate of the FP10s

Postby Tadman » Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:40 pm

Mailbox letters, eh?
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Re: Fate of the FP10s

Postby Backshophoss » Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:01 pm

Looks like a refugee from "Chuggington" repaint please! :wink:
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Re: Fate of the FP10s

Postby blackcap » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:56 am

Classic GM&O would be nice...
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Re: Fate of the FP10s

Postby MACTRAXX » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:08 pm

blackcap wrote:Classic GM&O would be nice...


BC and Everyone: Boston and Maine "Minuteman" colors - or New Haven McGuiness - would have been a better
choice for this "stuffed and mounted" FP10 in New England - and I agree with Tadman in that this unit reminds
me of Canada Post "mailbox" colors...

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Re: Fate of the FP10s

Postby MACTRAXX » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:56 pm

Everyone:

I will post some more fun facts about the FP10 units along the lines of those posted by Dave S that were
mentioned by Tom Nelligan in his July 1983 R&R article:

The MBTA originally was seeking to have 17 former New Haven passenger GP9s dating from 1956 rebuilt
and the 19 FP10 units were acquired in a sort of "trade" with the ICG that sent that group of GP9s to the
ICG and in return the MBTA got the group of 19 rebuilt former GM&O FP10 units along with cash savings.

The original HEP generators had both 480 and 575 volt capability - and because of this overly complicated
design HEP failures were becoming a problem. Back in 1979 to 1981 the MBTA was leasing a group of
GO Transit single level cars which used 575 volts. It was decided to return these cars back to Toronto
and further modify the HEP units to provide only 480 volt HEP which in essence solved this problem.

The four FP10s with steam generators: 1150-51-52-53 would be sent during 1983 to the C&NW Oelwein (Iowa)
Shops under a contract to replace the steam generators with HEP units after the last MBTA steam heated
cars were retired.

On January 11, 1979 FP10 1100 was delivered to the B&M Boston Engine Terminal and made its first revenue
run on January 25, 1979 on train number 442 running from Framingham to Boston.

The first nickname for the FP10 units was "Easter Eggs" because of their original purple and yellow color scheme
and later during the 1980s they would be repainted into a much more attractive burgundy based color scheme.

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