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Does anyone know where this "Trolley Graveyard" is located?

Postby Vakharn » Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:53 pm

I saw someone link this on Facebook and was surprised to see that it was MBTA equipment. Does anyone know where this is located?

http://www.abandonedamerica.us/beneath-a-canopy-of-sun
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Postby Adams_Umass_Boston » Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:32 pm

There was a thread not to long ago that said New Jersey

viewtopic.php?f=65&t=64365&p=1194281&hilit=trolley+graveyard#p1194281
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Postby Vakharn » Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:31 pm

Well that is disappointing, I assumed due to the preponderance of MBTA equipment that it was somewhere in Massachusetts. Does anyone know more specifically where in NJ it is located?
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Postby dieciduej » Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:07 pm

Na, na on the NJ answer! This was answered later in the Vintage High Res Pictures Discussion post.

The location is actually Windber PA, those are part of a group of 14 MBTA wartime PCCs that were sold to a company called Vintage Electric Streetcar back in 1991. They also own PCCs from SEPTA, PAT, and GCRTA. You can see a yellow ex-GCRTA Shaker car in the photo with the Boston cars. Their business plan was to buy used PCCs at scrap prices and resell them later. So far, they have been sitting there for 20 plus years with no takers.

You can see them on Google maps:

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=1400+Somerset+Avenue,+Windber,+PA&hl=en&ll=40.235412,-78.823149&spn=0.00146,0.00327&sll=40.239362,-78.820558&sspn=0.00146,0.00327&oq=1400+Somerset+Avenue+Windber+PA&t=h&hnear=1400+Somerset+Ave,+Windber,+Somerset,+Pennsylvania+15963&z=19

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Postby Vakharn » Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:11 pm

Just south of Johnstown, why am I not surprised? Thank you dieciduej, next time I'm out at the Station Inn I'll have to pop down there and have a look at them.
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Postby Adams_Umass_Boston » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:52 pm

dieciduej wrote:Na, na on the NJ answer! JoeD


Thank you,
My memory wanted to say PA, but I searched to make sure and found that , now, incorrect answer.

Again,
Thank you.
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Postby CarterB » Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:21 pm

Better view on Bing maps ....bird's eye views....zoom in...rotate view to look South.
http://www.bing.com/maps/#Y3A9NDAuMjM1O ... UyNTIwcGE=
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Postby dieciduej » Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:40 pm

CarterB wrote:Better view on Bing maps ....bird's eye views....zoom in...rotate view to look South.
http://www.bing.com/maps/#Y3A9NDAuMjM1O ... UyNTIwcGE=


You can see quite a few CTA 6000-Series L Cars.

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Postby RussNelson » Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:04 pm

And be sure to pan east, past the building. There's an AMAZING number of them. I count 47, not counting whatever is inside the building or on the track to the south of the building.

San Francisco still uses PCC cars.
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Postby dieciduej » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:03 am

RussNelson wrote:San Francisco still uses PCC cars.


We still have 10 on the Mattapan High Speed Line. Biggest problem is those at the Vintage Electric Streetcar in PA have been in the bush for awhile so they would need major work.

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Postby RussNelson » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:59 am

dieciduej wrote:
RussNelson wrote:San Francisco still uses PCC cars.


We still have 10 on the Mattapan High Speed Line. Biggest problem is those at the Vintage Electric Streetcar in PA have been in the bush for awhile so they would need major work.


I'm hoping against hope that that large building holds the PCCs which are in the best condition. And for the ones stored outside, why, I expect that if they haven't been vandalized, they're probably in decent shape. One hopes that the VES folks were sensible, and charged up bearings with grease &etc.

I put their tracks into OpenStreetMap, but you really need to see it on an aerial photo (which OSM doesn't have) in order to appreciate it: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.23 ... 21&zoom=18
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Postby caduceus » Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:28 am

It looks like 4 of them at the front of the property are on their sides :(
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Postby TomNelligan » Sat Oct 19, 2013 3:46 pm

RussNelson wrote: And for the ones stored outside, why, I expect that if they haven't been vandalized, they're probably in decent shape.


Probably not, unfortunately. PCCs were made from carbon steel and after 20+ years of exposure to the elements with no maintenance they're probably rusted through in places. Plus, if the photographer could get inside, it would seem likely that others with less benign intentions could as well. Sad.
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Postby ExCon90 » Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:41 pm

The Market Street Railway organization in San Francisco (http://www.streetcar.org) has been looking for PCCs that could be made usable for the F line (which itself is due for a short extension in the next few years). I think it likely that they have looked at these and thrown up their hands. I know from their publication that it costs a bundle just to restore a PCC for heavy daily service when it's relatively well preserved to begin with.
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