Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:13 pm

Two MBB retirements this week...one trailer and one cab. First time the numbers have changed in months.
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby Type 7 3684 » Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:50 pm

Yeah, looks like the 1520 and 517.
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby octr202 » Thu Oct 15, 2015 7:37 am

Sweet! Nothing against 1520, but 517's seats are/were awful. Glad to see the last of the 17/18 (517,518,1517,1518) group go. :-)
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby Type 7 3684 » Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:22 am

521 has been withdrawn from service and is now at BET.
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Sun Oct 25, 2015 2:14 pm

Type 7 3684 wrote:521 has been withdrawn from service and is now at BET.


Neverending Brokem warranty mods encampment is down to its last 3 units at Seaview + accident-damaged unit 1812 which will be brought down there dead last for its more lengthy repairs. They determined the last 7 units that were originally scheduled to go to Seaview needed minor enough touches that they could have their mods done at BET.

Does this mean final retirement date for the last half-dozen 500's is getting very near? I would assume we're looking at 10 or more of the 1500's lingering a few months longer so they have wiggle room to rotate the Bombardier cabs into the shop for cab signal + ACSES installation, but this should logically be the end of the blind trailers until a brief reappearance next summer on the dedicated Cape Flyer trainset. 214's the only non- K car rebuild BTC that's out-of-service, so they're about as well-stocked as they're ever going to be with trailers.
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby The EGE » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:40 pm

What happened to 1812?
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby Type 7 3684 » Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:01 pm

The EGE wrote:What happened to 1812?

It was involved in an incident at SHSY in March. It hit a catenary pole IIRC
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby BandA » Sun Oct 25, 2015 11:21 pm

Do they have enough equipment for service expansion?
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:07 am

BandA wrote:Do they have enough equipment for service expansion?


When the K cars are done they'll have +15-18 more coaches available for day-to-day service than they do today, so yes. Plus better coach uptime than they had with the MBBs' aches and pains, and more seating per car to spread around so some flats-dominated trains carrying around an extra car will be able to shed their extras by going taller. It's not luxurious margins by any stretch; not being able to tap the +75 option order on the Brokems was a costly (if necessary) retreat. But it's enough to feed all the pending Worcester increases. Other front-burner expansions like Buzzards Bay don't require any additional or lengthened trainsets whatsoever, just purging all flats from rush hour Middleboro consists and doing same car count with all bi-levels.

Realistically, any substantial service expansion beyond new Worcester frequencies, new Fitchburg frequencies, and M'boro-BB gets ensared in the budget crisis and is full of question marks until other much more critical question marks get answered. And with the T still projected to be the only passenger railroad to miss the extended PTC deadline AND all allowable extensions provisioned within the extended deadline, there's some legal blockers to more service expansion as well. If they have to petition to an FRA arbitrator for a 2-year individual extension from 2018 to 2020, it's quite likely there'll be a lot of strings attached as requirement for earning an extension...such as freezing all service expansion until they're compliant. By that point they'll have to have budgeted for the next 200-car/40-loco equipment replacement mega-order anyway, lest the remaining flats and F40's start crumbling to dust like the ones just retired. So current fleet will be an irrelevant measuring stick for service expansion >5 years out. Even if the next replacement coaches don't increase the total car count, purging the flats alone increases the fleet-wide seating capacity enough to put more cars in-play.
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby ck4049 » Mon Oct 26, 2015 7:47 am

F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:
Type 7 3684 wrote:521 has been withdrawn from service and is now at BET.

I would assume we're looking at 10 or more of the 1500's lingering a few months longer so they have wiggle room to rotate the Bombardier cabs into the shop for cab signal + ACSES installation.

Where did you hear this? If they were planning to install the ACSES on the 1600's there would be word going around abut it. Also, the 1600's wont be of much use down south as control cars since their brake valves lack the suppression position that all other control cars have, and Amtrak has something against that apparently.
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:25 am

ck4049 wrote:
F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:
Type 7 3684 wrote:521 has been withdrawn from service and is now at BET.

I would assume we're looking at 10 or more of the 1500's lingering a few months longer so they have wiggle room to rotate the Bombardier cabs into the shop for cab signal + ACSES installation.

Where did you hear this? If they were planning to install the ACSES on the 1600's there would be word going around abut it. Also, the 1600's wont be of much use down south as control cars since their brake valves lack the suppression position that all other control cars have, and Amtrak has something against that apparently.


See Fairmount thread, whichever page the Sept. 2014 posts are on, post from our own forum mod about PTC/signal installation equipment installs on those cars being out to bid. I thought that was supposed to be underway right now per a source on a different messageboard, but can't vouch for the on-the-ground accuracy of that claim.
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby sery2831 » Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:09 am

ck4049 wrote:
F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:
Type 7 3684 wrote:521 has been withdrawn from service and is now at BET.

I would assume we're looking at 10 or more of the 1500's lingering a few months longer so they have wiggle room to rotate the Bombardier cabs into the shop for cab signal + ACSES installation.

Where did you hear this? If they were planning to install the ACSES on the 1600's there would be word going around abut it. Also, the 1600's wont be of much use down south as control cars since their brake valves lack the suppression position that all other control cars have, and Amtrak has something against that apparently.


There is a bid process going for PTC in the 1600s. I would assume the brake system would get an upgrade at the same time.
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby ns3010 » Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:28 am

Was looking for information on the PTC bid, and came across these. Sounds like the end may be near for the Screamers and MBB's:

The MBTA seeks Sale of Surplus for "Obsolete CRC Coaches in strict accordance with MBTA Specifications.


The MBTA seeks Sale of Surplus for "Obsolete Equipment" in strict accordance with MBTA Specifications.


Both bids are due 11/3.

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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby BigUglyCat » Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:43 pm

Joe: This from the Kawasaki Rebuild thread:
ns3010 wrote:Stumbled across this tidbit from NETransit:

NETransit wrote:
Update: On October 16, 2015, the MBTA Fiscal and Management Control Board approved Authority for Action for the overhaul of 32 additional Kawasaki coaches (750-781) for $32.1 million, increasing the total number of cars to be overhauled to 106.

Joe

Does this impact the numbers from F-line to Dudley via Park's calculations on available coaches or does it increase the available number?
Or is my head in the sky as is frequently the case? :-D
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby MBTA3247 » Mon Oct 26, 2015 2:40 pm

BigUglyCat wrote:Joe: This from the Kawasaki Rebuild thread:
ns3010 wrote:Stumbled across this tidbit from NETransit:

NETransit wrote:
Update: On October 16, 2015, the MBTA Fiscal and Management Control Board approved Authority for Action for the overhaul of 32 additional Kawasaki coaches (750-781) for $32.1 million, increasing the total number of cars to be overhauled to 106.

Joe

Does this impact the numbers from F-line to Dudley via Park's calculations on available coaches or does it increase the available number?
Or is my head in the sky as is frequently the case? :-D

That shouldn't have any effect on the number of available coaches long term. Short term, that means the T's current state of being down a few K-cars due to some being off-system for overhauls will last a few years longer.
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