Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby dowlingm » Sat Aug 13, 2016 8:19 pm

And now Metra joins the competition for whatever everyone else has got to spare
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... story.html
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby BandA » Sat Aug 13, 2016 11:45 pm

Unclear from this far away whether Illinois doesn't have the capital or whether it's a manufactured problem. So the well of available used equipment may further dry up. In MA the governator seems to be making deals with legislature that isn't happening in Illinois.

Funny, MBTA has plenty of capital that they haven't even spent. It's the operating costs that are killing them, accumulated operating debt, although also the high prices and overruns on capital projects.

No way will Chicago be buying the MBB cars, lol
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Sun Aug 14, 2016 1:02 am

dowlingm wrote:And now Metra joins the competition for whatever everyone else has got to spare
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... story.html


I don't think East Coast flats can mix with gallery cars. Tall, tall end doors on the galleries, so the mismatch in size probably makes pass-thru not allowed. This is unlike the Bombardier BLV which was designed to interface with generic flats. No pass-thru to a car with doors level to the 8-inch platform means the cars aren't ADA-compliant out there. Nor would complete all-flats sets be ADA-kosher.


The gallery car aftermarket is pretty well loaded. Lot of them ex-Metra. If they need leasers in a pinch they're not hard to find. But ultimately if they have an acute car shortage they're going to have to buy their way out of it. No sum of scraped-together junk is going to plug the void of a canceled order.
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby sery2831 » Sun Aug 14, 2016 10:24 am

Gallery cars do not have tall end doors! They are standard single level cars with a second level added inside. The Gallery cars for years operated with single level cars in Chicago. Where do you get this info?
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby chrisf » Sun Aug 14, 2016 12:52 pm

Indeed, a simple Google image search for "Metra gallery cars" reveals the fact that they're all low doors, same as any single level coach.
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby GP40MC1118 » Sun Aug 14, 2016 5:17 pm

MBB's were/are headed to Rochester, Ma.
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby BandA » Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:40 pm

Getting a bit off topic here. But anyway, these "METRA Electrics" are very different than what the MBTA runs. They are bi-level EMU, DC powered from catenery. Newer cars are apparently FRA compliant, older cars are not as they had ~~42 die in a crash with heavyweight EMUs. Not clear why FRA compliance is required since service runs on separate tracks. (possibly freight tracks crossover).
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby Backshophoss » Sun Aug 14, 2016 10:03 pm

Metra Electric was the old IC electric commuter division,just retired the last of the 1st gen Highliner fleet cars.
What ever is rusting away at seaview could run with the loco hauled Gallery cars,but are too far used and put away wet
to be useless as a functional coach or a parts supply. :wink:

METRA is attempting to buy an order option from VRE for Bi-level coaches.
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby GP40MC1118 » Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:12 pm

The five MBB coaches stored at Otis AFB were moved off-Cape to Rochester today by
the Mass Coastal RR according to a Facebook posting. Coaches are: 505, 501, 1503, 500, & 508.

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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby Screamer 1000 » Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:36 pm

Any updates on the retired screamers sitting in Rochester?
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:19 pm

Screamer 1000 wrote:Any updates on the retired screamers sitting in Rochester?


Law of inertia states that object at rest will stay at rest? :wink:

Nothing's changed. They're all being held in-storage until the HSP-46's have passed certain warranty milestones as S.O.P. for most railroads, and won't be put up for disposition until probably next year. All of them have missed enough inspection cycles that they'd need lots of work to be made operable again...including 1013, the only one that was retired with no mechanical issues.

They've got the RFP out for overhauls of some F40's to get some pricing options before making a decision, but those would draw from the -2C dead line and expand out to some of the active -2C units...but probably not get as far as tapping any of the Screamers because of how negatively those much heavier rebuilds would affect the unit price the FCMB is seeking. They don't have a lot of money to spend on that partial program, so remains to be seen how far they can stretch it.
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby csor2010 » Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:26 pm

Zombie Franken-geep 1117 has returned from Area 52.
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby ck4049 » Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:14 pm

The 1117 and 1120 have been back for quite a few weeks now. They now wear MassDOT logos in place of the T's.
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby GP40MC1118 » Fri Jan 06, 2017 8:18 pm

Looks like the Northside Work Train took the first 7 coaches to Lawrence that are
going to Delaware Car via PAR/PAS/NS.

207,233,238,239,255,388 & 631

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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby MBTA F40PH-2C 1050 » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:08 am

An update on those cars per a yahoogroup post. Lets see how quickly they get turned around and get back on property

"MBTA coaches PLACED AT CUSTOMER BY NS DELWARE CAR ,WILMINGTON, DE JAN 24 3;37 PM.
207,233, 238 .239, 355 ,388 631 for work"

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