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Re: MBTA System Map Contest

Postby Adams_Umass_Boston » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:46 pm

The EGE wrote:Or stick with the original Cambridge Seven Associates map. They knew how to do simple right.


Complete agreement.

I think they all stink. If you go through them, you compromise yourself and select one as good enough.

In the end they all are awful.
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Re: MBTA System Map Contest

Postby MBTA1016 » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:52 pm

I like the map diburning linked to. That would really confuse tourists lol.
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Re: MBTA System Map Contest

Postby CRail » Sat Sep 14, 2013 10:21 am

I really like that #5 shows the criteria for what makes a Key bus route. I also like that the 77 is on the correct side of the red line (which 1 and 2 also show). Many argue that the way the current map is, and the way some contestants propose, doesn't matter because the lines parallel each other. That route does NOT operate to the east of Davis Sq, making it geographically and schematically inaccurate! That would be like putting the Orange Line on the left side at Haymarket and North Station.
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Re: MBTA System Map Contest

Postby AznSumtinSumtin » Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:24 am

The winner has been announced.
http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/2013/10/07/mbta-map-redesign-winner/

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Re: MBTA System Map Contest

Postby joshg1 » Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:12 pm

It's the same map. Like all those Buicks and Oldsmobiles- different trim, different dealer, same damn car. This was a public relations exercise that failed. 6000 votes out of hundreds of thousands of riders? No one in the world of graphic design will like it and they were the only ones pushing for a new map. I just hope this sham doesn't cost much.

Nothing beats the system map on the MBTA website. They couldn't adapt that?
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Re: MBTA System Map Contest

Postby MBTA1016 » Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:42 pm

They should've just stuck with the map they had then, not much different except every green stop on the outer branches are listed and some other small differences.
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Re: MBTA System Map Contest

Postby The EGE » Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:14 pm

The existing system map is not without its problems; this solves some of them but creates new ones. I have my hopes that either Cambridge Seven Associates (responsible for the 1967 map that every map since including this one has been based off) or MassDOT's graphic design department (responsible for the beautiful full-system map) gets its paws on this.
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Re: MBTA System Map Contest

Postby MBTA1016 » Tue Oct 08, 2013 3:22 pm

I do agree that the existing map before this contest had problems to it.
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Re: MBTA System Map Contest

Postby Arborwayfan » Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:21 pm

The new map does not solve one of the most obvious problems of T maps: it makes Reservoir and Cleveland Circle look far apart. Shouldn't tourists and newcomers be shown that if they want to go to Cleveland Circle, and a D train comes first, they should take the D train?
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Re: MBTA System Map Contest

Postby MBTA1016 » Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:39 pm

I don't think the guy who created the map knows that.
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Re: MBTA System Map Contest

Postby joshg1 » Tue Oct 08, 2013 6:27 pm

Part of the problem is we don't know the parameters the panel of experts used to narrow down to six. The T *must have* told the rest of the panel something. I looked at my choice, #4 (could be better), and thought about the C and D lines. If I drew a line along Chestnut Hill Avenue, that might look like a free transfer. It's not easy, but I hoped they started with goals more precise than "legible, easy to print, square".
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Re: MBTA System Map Contest

Postby wicked » Wed Oct 09, 2013 1:00 am

It was designed by someone in Moscow who I'm guessing doesn't have intimate knowledge of the system. Nice career boost for him, not necessarily great for riders.

There was a UK professor who studies and critiques transit map design on one of the weekend "Morning Edition" shows within the past two or three weeks. I forget his name, and a quick Google search doesn't turn up the segment. He bashed the idea of an open-sourced contest for the new T map pretty good.
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Re: MBTA System Map Contest

Postby joshg1 » Wed Oct 09, 2013 11:36 am

There was a UK professor who studies and critiques transit map design on one of the weekend "Morning Edition" shows within the past two or three weeks.


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=225023454

After listening to this I have more respect for a schematic map. For a map placed in a station it (both new and old) is a good way to find your way to another station, but imagine waiting at Symphony inbound for 45 minutes not knowing Massachusetts is right over there. Or taking a bus between the two? Or thinking the 66 is a shortcut.
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Re: MBTA System Map Contest

Postby millerm277 » Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:12 pm

joshg1 wrote:For a map placed in a station it (both new and old) is a good way to find your way to another station, but imagine waiting at Symphony inbound for 45 minutes not knowing Massachusetts is right over there. Or taking a bus between the two? Or thinking the 66 is a shortcut.


Not to mention with all of the downtown stops. If you haven't looked at a street map/Google maps, someone not from the area would be making all kind of terrible transfers to get to where they need to go.

Boston's downtown, is tiny. I know this, I am in the city often, and yet it's still hard to not think of it in transit stops, because that's the map I see every day and use most frequently. The map says Downtown Crossing and Haymarket are pretty far apart, I'd better take the T. In reality, if it's a nice day, I could walk for 15 minutes, and it would be about the same amount of time on average as taking the T.

I don't think it's entirely an academic debate. Boston has an overcrowding problem at the downtown stops, and it has an overcrowding problem on the Green Line branches. Anyone who looks at this map or even thinks in terms of it, will make that problem worse. And the college student turnover means Boston has a lot more people who don't know the city that well living in it and using the T regularly than most places.

I don't think Boston's system is complex enough to need the level of simplification of geography of a schematic map or the map presented, is my point. I understand it in Tokyo or London where it's far too impossible to understand otherwise, but I don't agree in Boston.
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