MBTA engine and cars to Danbury Ct?

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Re: MBTA engine and cars to Danbury Ct?

Postby daytripper1 » Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:58 am

The equipment was deadheaded out to CP45 on Wednesday. Our crew and CSX pilot took the equipment yesterday am. It was the 010, a 600 and a 1500. Just two coaches. The dog and pony show will involve the Governor (Where's his Berkshire home? Barrington?) SoT, other MA officials, about 40 or so.

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Re: MBTA engine and cars to Danbury Ct?

Postby joshg1 » Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:08 am

Two question and a point. Does the T have a monopoly on CR operations in Mass? Could the Berkshire RTA fund operation of a train by levying the towns served? Not rebuilding the line- that's a bit much.

So Pittsfield has more residents than the southern part of the county. So what? The southern part of the county has summer complaints and weekenders from the New York area, and they have lots of money. It's an odd thing I've noticed: spending tax dollars on rich people before poor. (Hingham Tunnel? What?) They want to ride a train up to the Berkshires, just as they ride trains to the Hamptons. We can tell them that they're not going to get it unless they pay, but they will just stare at us like a dog who has been told it's too early for supper.

An anecdote- about 15 years ago Howie Carr did a segment on crap towns. Someone from Pittsfield called in, and after Howie argued about how pretty the Berkshires are, the caller said, "Pittsfield: Newark without the Romance".
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Re: MBTA engine and cars to Danbury Ct?

Postby wicked » Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:07 pm

I almost took a job in Pittsfield a few years back. It's not Utopia, but it's nowhere near Newark.

The town could use much better connections to Albany and the rest of our fair state.
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Re: MBTA engine and cars to Danbury Ct?

Postby MBTA F40PH-2C 1050 » Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:17 pm

joshg1 wrote:Two question and a point. Does the T have a monopoly on CR operations in Mass? Could the Berkshire RTA fund operation of a train by levying the towns served? Not rebuilding the line- that's a bit much.

So Pittsfield has more residents than the southern part of the county. So what? The southern part of the county has summer complaints and weekenders from the New York area, and they have lots of money. It's an odd thing I've noticed: spending tax dollars on rich people before poor. (Hingham Tunnel? What?).


**It is the Hingham Underpass, not a tunnel. The T purposely built it just short enough not to be classified as a tunnel so that Hingham would not get federal funds/grants for a tunnel because of the mess that they put them thru getting it built.
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Re: MBTA engine and cars to Danbury Ct?

Postby merrick1 » Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:32 pm

daytripper1 wrote:The equipment was deadheaded out to CP45 on Wednesday. Our crew and CSX pilot took the equipment yesterday am. It was the 010, a 600 and a 1500. Just two coaches. The dog and pony show will involve the Governor (Where's his Berkshire home? Barrington?) SoT, other MA officials, about 40 or so.


The Governor's house is in Richmond. So he would be better off with Boston to Albany service with a station in Richmond.
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Re: MBTA engine and cars to Danbury Ct?

Postby piker » Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:51 pm

joshg1 wrote: Does the T have a monopoly on CR operations in Mass?

This might be the most important point. Isn't this "mission creep" by the T or someone? When the T showed up on the Connecticut river line for the rehab we didn't really question that bureaucratic leap. What would be the right agency to lead this?
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Re: MBTA engine and cars to Danbury Ct?

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Sun Jul 28, 2013 6:31 pm

piker wrote:
joshg1 wrote: Does the T have a monopoly on CR operations in Mass?

This might be the most important point. Isn't this "mission creep" by the T or someone? When the T showed up on the Connecticut river line for the rehab we didn't really question that bureaucratic leap. What would be the right agency to lead this?


The T does not have a monopoly. It can only serve the in-district towns by its lonesome, and has to be 1:1 compensated for any out-of-district running. That's how it works for Rhode Island with RIDOT reimbursing them and paying all in-state capital costs (including equipment procurements for the share of coaches and locos needed for RI running), how CCRTA is getting the T to run Cape Flyer (Wareham is the last in-district town on that line), why South Coast FAIL has to have a "Task Force" answerable to no one but the Governor doing all the back-rubbing of out-of-district towns Fall River and New Bedford, and why the use of the T's engineering dept. for the Conn River/Vermonter rehab is a reimbursable "state-sponsored" line item in the budget.

So, no...without new towns voting to join the district or an arrangement for a regional RTA or other agency reimbursing them in-full to "borrow" them, the T won't be running that service. The agency charter isn't set up that way.


NHHS is going to be with 90% likelihood contracted out to Amtrak since they own the line (much like SLE is). If commuter rail were to be extended north (either as blended alt service patterns with NHHS or as some other to VT with VTTrans) it's also likely to be via Amtrak contract since it's on the existing Vermonter mileage. And the state can probably kick in some subsidy to CDOT for buying some extra NHHS pool equipment, much like RIDOT does with the T. It would be sharing their layover yards and would probably be easier to maintain on that corridor instead of having to ship east over CSX to hit BET.

Who the hell knows with the Berkshire. Amtrak isn't going to touch that turkey, it's extremely remote for getting any equipment, and even if you somehow got CDOT drunk enough to forget how much it loathes HRCC and get that service down to Danbury there is very little layover space...no maint facilities...and no equipment sharing to be had with Metro North. My guess is the T would have to get a reimbursement check from somebody and drag its equipment and crews 100 miles west to run the damn thing. Which is reason #57 why it's utterly insane.


If we're serving tourists, get the bloody owner to fix up its track and give Berkshire Scenic some state money to run a well-patronized weekend service. And for god's sake put the money into Knowledge Corridor CR bootstrapped to NHHS if there just has to be a full CR-spec Western MA passenger project. The infrastructure's spanking new and the stations are already there...ops-only funding and donation to the CDOT equipment pool. Run Greenfield-Hartford or something like that. How cynical do you have to be to dance with Housy INSTEAD of maxing out use of all that new Conn River infrastructure? Berkshire County doesn't need a mandatory giveaway. There simply aren't enough high-need transportation projects out there...uncongested roads, privately-owned freight rails that have (except for PAS) not very cooperative carriers.
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Re: MBTA engine and cars to Danbury Ct?

Postby piker » Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:36 pm

So heres another thought. How well informed are the governor and his entourage do you suppose? Are they ready for 10 miles an hour from Canaan to Pittsfield?
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Re: MBTA engine and cars to Danbury Ct?

Postby NH2060 » Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:40 pm

piker wrote:So heres another thought. How well informed are the governor and his entourage do you suppose? Are they ready for 10 miles an hour from Canaan to Pittsfield?

Well if they aren't, they're about to find out :-P
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Re: MBTA engine and cars to Danbury Ct?

Postby Rbts Stn » Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:43 am

merrick1 wrote:
daytripper1 wrote:The equipment was deadheaded out to CP45 on Wednesday. Our crew and CSX pilot took the equipment yesterday am. It was the 010, a 600 and a 1500. Just two coaches. The dog and pony show will involve the Governor (Where's his Berkshire home? Barrington?) SoT, other MA officials, about 40 or so.


The Governor's house is in Richmond. So he would be better off with Boston to Albany service with a station in Richmond.


Why? So he can hear trains going by?

it's not like you'll see him on a commuter train after he's done being Gov. Hell, you won't hardly ever be seeing him in Boston after his term is over.
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Re: MBTA engine and cars to Danbury Ct?

Postby Komarovsky » Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:28 pm

Just saw 10 and 2 flats(300 and 500 series) pass through Worcester headed east. Did the demo happen or was it called off?
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Re: MBTA engine and cars to Danbury Ct?

Postby StephenB » Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:46 pm

Komarovsky wrote:Just saw 10 and 2 flats(300 and 500 series) pass through Worcester headed east. Did the demo happen or was it called off?


I guess it happened:

Public Schedule

Daily Schedule

GOVERNOR PATRICK’S PUBLIC SCHEDULE

Monday, July 29, 2013

9:00 a.m. Governor Patrick tours the Housatonic Rail line. (CLOSED PRESS)
A media availability will follow the tour at approximately 11:45 a.m. at:
Intersection of Utility Drive and the Housatonic Railroad
Pittsfield

3:00 p.m. Governor Patrick attends a Legislative Leadership meeting. (CLOSED PRESS)
Senate President’s Office
Room 332
State House


http://www.mass.gov/governor/pressoffice/schedule/ (Daily link only good for tonight.)
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Re: MBTA engine and cars to Danbury Ct?

Postby StephenB » Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:24 pm

Hey, there's 010, out in them there hills...

Gov. Patrick: Connecticut's commitment key for rail link from Berkshires to NYC

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http://www.berkshireeagle.com/ci_237552 ... t-key-rail

I await comment from those far more in-the-know than I as to what this article said (and didn't say.)
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Re: MBTA engine and cars to Danbury Ct?

Postby NH2060 » Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:06 pm

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Sorry I just couldn't resist. This is like begging that girl who doesn't want anything to do with you to be your wife and the mother of your children... It is SO not gonna happen :-P

And in a related story someone on RR.net is searching in vain for their face after it laughed itself off into the stratosphere.. I look forward to CT responding with a "Wait what??" along with a nice big reality sandwich for MA to bite into ;-)
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Re: MBTA engine and cars to Danbury Ct?

Postby Backshophoss » Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:49 pm

What $$$ does CDOT and MNR have for this service? This will turn into a 4-way circus with HRRC,MBTA,CDOT,and MNR if it
happens to get that far!
The only "good" news was the 010 and the cars survived the HRRC rails in 1 piece and upright!
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