Public meeting on Green Line issues on 1/17/13

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Public meeting on Green Line issues on 1/17/13

Postby MBTA3247 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:05 pm

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Re: Public meeting on Green Line issues on 1/17/13

Postby BostonUrbEx » Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:49 pm

Idea: Connect the Red and Blue lines for a bit of a capacity boost.

I know, it's radical, because no one has ever thought of connecting the two lines.
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Re: Public meeting on Green Line issues on 1/17/13

Postby CircusFreakGRITZ » Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:17 pm

Here's another idea, three car Breda trains all the time from Lechmere to Kenmore with OPTO. The Bredas are already equipped for OPTO.
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Re: Public meeting on Green Line issues on 1/17/13

Postby The EGE » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:40 pm

CircusFreakGRITZ wrote:Here's another idea, three car Breda trains all the time from Lechmere to Kenmore with OPTO. The Bredas are already equipped for OPTO.


Why take up capacity in the Central Subway? That's cars and slots that are taken away from branch line trains.
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Re: Public meeting on Green Line issues on 1/17/13

Postby Patrick Boylan » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:56 pm

CircusFreakGRITZ wrote:The Bredas are already equipped for OPTO.

May I hijack this thread? I assume you mean that other equipment doesn't allow one operator to open and close all of a multi car train's doors, only those doors on their particular car, but that the Breda's do. Other than letting the single operator open and close all doors, what else does an LRV train need to get one person train operation?
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Re: Public meeting on Green Line issues on 1/17/13

Postby CircusFreakGRITZ » Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:07 am

Sent you a PM.

Did anyone go to the meeting? How was it?
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Re: Public meeting on Green Line issues on 1/17/13

Postby Matthew » Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:35 am

Well now they've promised real-time tracking on the Green Line by 2015 through a combination of more AVI and GPS tracking on the surface.
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Re: Public meeting on Green Line issues on 1/17/13

Postby CircusFreakGRITZ » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:08 am

Matthew wrote:Well now they've promised real-time tracking on the Green Line by 2015 through a combination of more AVI and GPS tracking on the surface.

Really? That's good news! Wasn't expecting to hear that. Did they say when in 2015?

Did they address the capacity issues and adding 3 car trains? Anything on OPTO?
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Re: Public meeting on Green Line issues on 1/17/13

Postby MBTA3247 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:01 am

No mention of OPTO. As for 3-car trains, they said the problem is two-fold: they don't have enough cars or available power to run all 3-car trains during rush hour. The current 3-car trains have to be spaced out so they don't overload the power sections. There was mention of wanting to buy some 200 new cars to replace the Type 7s and expand capacity.
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Re: Public meeting on Green Line issues on 1/17/13

Postby CircusFreakGRITZ » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:32 pm

MBTA3247 wrote:...There was mention of wanting to buy some 200 new cars to replace the Type 7s and expand capacity.

Huh? Aren't we already buying Type 9's regardless for the extension? And the T is only STARTING the mid-life overhaul of the Type 7's. That doesn't make sense to me?
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Re: Public meeting on Green Line issues on 1/17/13

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:44 pm

CircusFreakGRITZ wrote:
MBTA3247 wrote:...There was mention of wanting to buy some 200 new cars to replace the Type 7s and expand capacity.

Huh? Aren't we already buying Type 9's regardless for the extension? And the T is only STARTING the mid-life overhaul of the Type 7's. That doesn't make sense to me?


I think the 8's are going to go before the 7's. There's no way they're going to bother with a midlife rebuild of the Bredas. They might even cut the cord at 20 years instead of going the usual 25. I don't even want to think about what problems those things are going to start having when the center trucks start showing wear and tear.

If Kinki gets the Type 9 order there's no reason at all to junk the 7's. The manufacturer hegemony alone probably makes them worth another rebuild and reviving Kinki's old idea for lengthening them into true low-floor vehicles by inserting a center "sandwich section" between the existing ends.
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Re: Public meeting on Green Line issues on 1/17/13

Postby Matthew » Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:40 pm

Curiously, one of the managers said that the Park Street crossover project was dead, due to cost. I thought they were going to give that a go, to make more use of the second track?
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Re: Public meeting on Green Line issues on 1/17/13

Postby The EGE » Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:58 pm

Matthew wrote:Curiously, one of the managers said that the Park Street crossover project was dead, due to cost. I thought they were going to give that a go, to make more use of the second track?


Well that's just stupid. Giving away one of the best benefit-to-cost capacity-enhancement projects on the entire system because of chump change.
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Re: Public meeting on Green Line issues on 1/17/13

Postby CircusFreakGRITZ » Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:11 pm

Wow, ridiculous. I thought they already HAD the money for that!! And why do they even NEED money? How much would it really cost to add a couple switches!! Bullsh**.
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Re: Public meeting on Green Line issues on 1/17/13

Postby BostonUrbEx » Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:14 pm

CircusFreakGRITZ wrote:Wow, ridiculous. I thought they already HAD the money for that!! And why do they even NEED money? How much would it really cost to add a couple switches!! Bullsh**.


As I understand it, they need to do some underpinning and install some new support beams, and then carefully remove some existing ones. Not sure of the precise logistics. But sounds a little more difficult than simply plopping switches, otherwise it would have already been done.
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