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Re: MBTA Weekend Service to Hyannis Beginning 5/24/13

Postby MBTA F40PH-2C 1050 » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:40 pm

I believe the track has been upgraded to 30 mph for passenger trains, yes it will be a long slow trip compared to our 70 and 80 mph running, but like CRail said, many passengers would rather sit back in relax on a train than sit on Route 3 and Route 6 for 3 hours. No thank you..... also the grade crossings, almost all have been upgraded with lights and gates. I'll get more detailed answers from an engineer that worked for Mass Coastal and report here. this line has been quietly rebuilt over the last few years
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Re: MBTA Weekend Service to Hyannis Beginning 5/24/13

Postby Red Wing » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:49 pm

Now we need a bar car service for this trip and it would be relatively perfect. I do like the bike cars. Question about the bike cars isn't there only one right now? Also how would this affect the Rockport branch in the summer where that car has traditionally been.
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Re: MBTA Weekend Service to Hyannis Beginning 5/24/13

Postby sery2831 » Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:15 pm

As far as the bike cars goes. The thinking here is probably the new Rotem cars will have freed up some single level cars to be converted. This is all dependent on how fast the cars arrive after the pilot cars get approved.

This operation could also be a joint operation with the new owner of the Cape Cod RR. They have some 480v cars on other property's. Maybe they could provide food service.
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Re: MBTA Weekend Service to Hyannis Beginning 5/24/13

Postby wicked » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:43 pm

Red Wing wrote:Now we need a bar car service for this trip and it would be relatively perfect.


From the Barnstable Patriot article.

"Helping Cape-bound travelers get in the mood will be concessions on the train once it clears Middleborough/Lakeville."

Any reason why it won't start until after Middleborough? T policy? Are the cars being rented by another agency and thus the T won't allow a cafe car in its service area? This makes no sense to me.
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Re: MBTA Weekend Service to Hyannis Beginning 5/24/13

Postby The EGE » Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:04 pm

It could be, though it may also be a matter of practicality. In MBTA territory, the train averages a stop every eight minutes, with fast starts and stops. At 30mph for 44 miles with 3 intermediate stops, the train will average a stop every 25 minutes, which is much more amenable to the stand-up nature of food service.
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Re: MBTA Weekend Service to Hyannis Beginning 5/24/13

Postby wicked » Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:06 pm

Both very good, logical points.
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Re: MBTA Weekend Service to Hyannis Beginning 5/24/13

Postby highgreen215 » Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:12 pm

Do we have information yet on whether the Cape equipment will be MBTA or MassCoastal?
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Re: MBTA Weekend Service to Hyannis Beginning 5/24/13

Postby Teamdriver » Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:44 pm

Maybe the lounge cars belong to Cape Rail ( Active Equipment Roster http://www.capetrain.com/roster.php ) and because of insurance and alcohol ( if that is going to be served ) liability and licenses, that's the service area.
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Re: MBTA Weekend Service to Hyannis Beginning 5/24/13

Postby Teamdriver » Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:58 pm

The theme song for the new service :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLnRyGnB2u0
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Re: MBTA Weekend Service to Hyannis Beginning 5/24/13

Postby sery2831 » Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:35 pm

Teamdriver wrote:Maybe the lounge cars belong to Cape Rail ( Active Equipment Roster http://www.capetrain.com/roster.php ) and because of insurance and alcohol ( if that is going to be served ) liability and licenses, that's the service area.


Just keep in mind the new owner is Iowa Pacific and have many more cars that are compatible with current MBTA equipment.
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Re: MBTA Weekend Service to Hyannis Beginning 5/24/13

Postby b&m 1566 » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:42 am

I just heard about this, this morning on 7 News. Did anybody see this coming?
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Re: MBTA Weekend Service to Hyannis Beginning 5/24/13

Postby artman » Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:12 am

b&m 1566 wrote:I just heard about this, this morning on 7 News. Did anybody see this coming?


Not I, but wow it is exciting and what a smart, lower cost way to extend service!
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Re: MBTA Weekend Service to Hyannis Beginning 5/24/13

Postby djlong » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:52 pm

Hey, I wouldn't mind if I was in Boston and it took longer for the train than the car - because of the traffic. That wasn't my point.

My point was it being a longer train ride from Boston than driving from *NH*. Now, in order for me to take the train I either have to drive to Alewife or Lowell and add THAT transit time (Alewife-South Station or Lowell/North Station/Park Street South Station).

Make no mistake, I really want this to succeed. If it's even CLOSE to competitive, I predict I'll be using this service for one-way trips to meet up with my wife on the Cape without having to take extra days off.
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Re: MBTA Weekend Service to Hyannis Beginning 5/24/13

Postby highgreen215 » Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:42 pm

At least one write-up, I think it was the Barnstable newspaper, said the trains would be making a stop in Wareham. I sure hope so as that town could use the economic boost.
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Re: MBTA Weekend Service to Hyannis Beginning 5/24/13

Postby boblothrope » Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:51 pm

The EGE wrote:It could be, though it may also be a matter of practicality. In MBTA territory, the train averages a stop every eight minutes, with fast starts and stops. At 30mph for 44 miles with 3 intermediate stops, the train will average a stop every 25 minutes, which is much more amenable to the stand-up nature of food service.


Are you saying that the starting and stopping would make a bar car uncomfortable? Plenty of commuter trains have had bar cars, and a few still do (for now, until Metro North retires the remaining ones).

If I were taking this train, I'd want food and a drink right after boarding. I wouldn't want to wait more than an hour.
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