Increase Worcester service start-up date.

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Re: Increase Worcester service start-up date.

Postby boatsmate » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:47 am

Still lots of work going on between Westborough and Worcester. I have heard EC1s for trains operating between CP 24 and Mile post 39. they qwhere giving the train permission to operate in dark territory it sounded lke. the trains where told to call from various station stops to get there train orders. That takes time...
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Re: Increase Worcester service start-up date.

Postby Komarovsky » Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:54 pm

Two new true express trains are going to be added to the schedule starting April 29th. P582 will start in Worcester at 6:20 and make a stop in Framingham and arrive at Back Bay at 7:43. P583 leaves South Station at 5:35, stops at Back Bay and Framingham and arrives in Worcester at 6:43.

Details here: http://www.mbcr.net/

Is it me, or do the time reductions seem quite low for these new trains? The morning express makes 6 fewer stops but only makes the trip 5 minutes quicker than P508(1 hour 23 minutes for P582 vs 1 hour 28 minutes for P508). P583 is 15 minutes quicker that P523, but that still seems slower than it should be. Anyone have any insight as to why the improves are so relatively small?
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Re: Increase Worcester service start-up date.

Postby The EGE » Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:59 pm

Outbound looks good, but the inbound "express" trip is bull$4!*.

The westbound Lake Shore Limited is scheduled for 33 minutes South Station - Framingham, and 1:03 South Station - Worcester. The outbound evening express is scheduled for 38 minutes and 1:08. While understandably slower that the LSL due to the crowds, that's still respectable average speeds of 34mph to Framingham and 39mph to Worcester - making that South Station - Worcester run the second-fastest on the system*.

The inbound, though, takes 43 minutes from Framingham, and a whopping 1:23 from Worcester (average speeds of 30 and 32mph, respectively - middle of the road for the CR system). The 7:55PM departure from Worcester - which makes all stops outside of Framingham - is actually scheduled for 1:16 trip time - 7 minutes faster than the "express".

*The record holder is the #808 peak-hour Providence Line super-express, which makes no stops between Mansfield and Back Bay. Average speeds for that trip exceed 38mph from all stops to South Station, with the Mansfield-South Station run at 46mph average.
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Re: Increase Worcester service start-up date.

Postby wicked » Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:14 pm

The main hangup in the AM express seems between Worcester and Framingham. Is there a freight local tying things up? I can't remember how much double track there is between Worcester and Framingham.
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Re: Increase Worcester service start-up date.

Postby ST214 » Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:57 pm

The entire line is double except for the area around Beacon Park.

wicked wrote:The main hangup in the AM express seems between Worcester and Framingham. Is there a freight local tying things up? I can't remember how much double track there is between Worcester and Framingham.
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Re: Increase Worcester service start-up date.

Postby Komarovsky » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:38 pm

The only thing I could think of for the AM commute is keeping the express from catching the 5:55 local, but as noted before the line is double tracked and it's not like the train would be stuck behind the local because of that.

I'm glad to see that they're making progress, and the evening express really is competitive with driving non-stop during that time frame. I really hope they don't shoot themselves the in the foot with the morning "express" and scrap the whole idea after 6 months.
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Re: Increase Worcester service start-up date.

Postby MBTA F40PH-2C 1050 » Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:30 pm

you guys need to remember that there is alot of padding in these schedules. When we are out there taking trains in and out, especially out, most of the time we are not doing track speed because there is so much time factored in. On the first day, lets see what happens, and maybe schedules will be adjusted. There are too many trains that operate too close together on this section of the railroad, every 20 minutes to be exact at the height of rush hour. One train gets delayed and every train from Framingham to Boston is delayed due to the long ABS blocks. By the time P582 gets into the Boston area, they will only be 7 minutes behind P504, and most likely will ride their bad signals, not being able to make track speed. If the schedule was made for P582 to be able to maintain track speed and true express, they will be right behind P504 all the way to Boston, but not being able to go faster than 30mph.
P583 on the outbound WILL be delayed because of P525's bad signals, seeing as they will be only 5 minutes behind them by the time they reach the Natick area, happens all the time with P527 catching up to P525...P583 will ride Approach signals until Framingham. It is going to be interesting as in where P582 is going to originate or what kind of set she will be...I have yet to see the run sheet
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Re: Increase Worcester service start-up date.

Postby jamesinclair » Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:19 am

The EGE wrote:Othat's still respectable average speeds of 34mph to Framingham and 39mph to Worcester -

(average speeds of 30 and 32mph, respectively - middle of the road for the CR system).



When you put it like that.....thats really, really sad. No wonder so many people drive.
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Re: Increase Worcester service start-up date.

Postby BostonUrbEx » Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:51 am

Meanwhile a private company is upgrading a section of track to be used only seasonally to 60mph.

Is this due to CSX ownership/maintenance?
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Re: Increase Worcester service start-up date.

Postby The EGE » Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:07 am

I can't say about slow orders, but trains rarely average anything close to track speed. That inbound Mansfield express has 79mph running from Mansfield until a few blocks from Back Bay - and yet averages (only) 52mph on that segment.
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Re: Increase Worcester service start-up date.

Postby Komarovsky » Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:26 pm

The MBTA now owns all the rails between Worcester and Boston, and there seem to be fewer slow orders on the former CSX trackage than there are on the Framingham to Boston(I'm looking at you Natick).

I've used a GPS speedo app on my phone to see how fast the trains run between stations a few times and usually it's at or close to full track speed between all the stations west of Framingham and all the stations east of Natick. Unlike the NEC, which the T shares with Amtrak, the Worcester line isn't nearly as congested with non T service, so trains tend to run as fast as the track allows usually.
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Re: Increase Worcester service start-up date.

Postby bozepravde15 » Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:12 pm

Not sure if anyone has posted this somewhere else, but the T just announced two new express trains:
Framinham/Worcester Line New Schedules Monday, April 29, 2013 On Monday, April 29, 2013 new schedules will take effect on the Framingham/Worcester Line. Inbound express train P582 and Outbound express train P583 will be added. The sechedules of trains P507 and P527 have been modified. Printable/downloadable PDF copies of the new schedules can be obtained by going to the Framingham/Worcester Line at http://www.mbta.com.

PDF of the new schedule is here:
http://www.mbta.com/uploadedfiles/Docum ... cester.pdf

Both only stop at Framingham and Worcester on their way to/from South Station and Back Bay. P582 takes 1 hour, 23 minutes from Worcester, P583 takes 1 hour, 7 minutes(!) to get to Worcester.
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Re: Increase Worcester service start-up date.

Postby MBTA F40PH-2C 1050 » Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:49 pm

look above your post...already being discussed. As for the average speed discussion, our trains take some time starting and going as all of you know, and the heavier the trains get, longer it takes to get moving, and the locals make all stops, the more stops, the worse the average speed will be, as EGE wrote. As for the #808, that train cruises at MAS from Mansfield until Readville/Forest Hills, but once you start throwing Franklin, Needham and Stoughton moves, only 2 tracks are used for inbound trains on the corridor, (the center, TRK 1, used for outbounds) the signals tend to be unfriendly and the blocks on the Corridor can be quite long. Only takes 1 late train to start the ripple effect of Approach signals. Also to clarify on the outbounds, tends to be up til Framingham that we must really watch the schedule for the padding
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Re: Increase Worcester service start-up date.

Postby Komarovsky » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:21 pm

Despite the short notice, the T seems to be making quite a bit of noise about the new trains. The conductor made an announcement about it this morning and they sent out a T alert about it as well. The T must be trying to make up for the short notice they've given everyone.
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Re: Increase Worcester service start-up date.

Postby MBTA F40PH-2C 1050 » Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:55 am

anyone here ride the new Express this morning? how was the preformance?
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