Increase Worcester service start-up date.

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Re: Increase Worcester service start-up date.

Postby Backshophoss » Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:28 pm

It takes a while to setup,then convert any CP's from CR/CSX control to MBCR control.
CSX may not have allowed MBCR Signal Dept to start the needed conversion work and testing needed before cutting over the CP's.
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Re: Increase Worcester service start-up date.

Postby railman616 » Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:19 am

As of 00:01 the MBCR owns the track from Cove up to the westward absolute signal at CP 45. Dispatching will still be handled by the NA dispatcher in Selkirk until the MBCR opens their new dispatching canter in Somerville. All signal and m&w work is transfered to the MBCR as of the 2nd of Oct. The signal cut over is under MBCR control. CSX is NOT going to have any thing to do with the cut over other then changes to the Dispatching in Selkirk and the cut in of the two new CP at Westboro.
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Re: Increase Worcester service start-up date.

Postby The EGE » Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:35 am

To answer the OP's question: October 29th. Was just announced today. http://www.telegram.com/article/2012100 ... G2rlE00WSo

Three new roundtrips this month. 12:20, 3:25, and 9:30 inbounds, and 10:30, 1:15, and 11:25 outbounds. Article claims they're extended Framingham locals, but those inbound are not timed to be extensions.

One more rush-hour express next spring, then two more roundtrips next October.
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Re: Increase Worcester service start-up date.

Postby jamesinclair » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:52 pm

Yeah the timing is weird, either a big shakeup or truly new runs.
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Re: Increase Worcester service start-up date.

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Re: Increase Worcester service start-up date.

Postby The EGE » Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:42 am

And it looks pretty mediocre. They added NO new trains, only extended existing ones. The midday Worcester schedule is better; the Newton stops lose a midday trip but the timing is about the same. The big plus is that P538 and P540 got combined into the new late-night P540, freeing up P538 for a decent 9:30pm inbound from Worcester.

But the schedule, overall, still sucks. Only one morning train under 90 minutes (at 88 minutes) from Worcester. The Newton stops have no inbound service between 3:30pm and 1:00am. And they still cannot figure out how to run a freaking express.
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Re: Increase Worcester service start-up date.

Postby BandA » Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:44 am

Yawkee station has added about 5 minutes, and congestion at South Station has added several minutes (and uncertainty) to travel time. When they build the New Balance Station, that'll add another 5 minutes, and all trains will surely have to stop there because it has New in it's name.

There should be locals making all station stops, limiteds stopping at only key stations (Worcester, one another station, Framingham, one station in Natick, one station in Wellesley, Newtonville, Back Bay, South Station), and expresses that make all stops from Worcester to Framingham, then Back Bay and South Station.
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Re: Increase Worcester service start-up date.

Postby M&Eman » Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:32 pm

Is there an infrastructure problem limiting the newton stops, or does MBTA prefer Newton residents take the green line?
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Re: Increase Worcester service start-up date.

Postby novitiate » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:01 pm

M&Eman wrote:Is there an infrastructure problem limiting the newton stops, or does MBTA prefer Newton residents take the green line?

The platforms are only on one side of the tracks; I imagine because they didn't expect them to last long after the Pike Extension was built.
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Re: Increase Worcester service start-up date.

Postby BandA » Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:59 pm

Why were the Newton platforms built on the eastbound, south, highway side of the tracks? Was it to allow all passenger trains to run on a single track straight thru Beacon Park? Why didn't they build a platform for Newton (Newton Corner)? Or did everybody prefer the "A" trolley to Park St?
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Re: Increase Worcester service start-up date.

Postby Rbts Stn » Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:13 pm

M&Eman wrote:Is there an infrastructure problem limiting the newton stops, or does MBTA prefer Newton residents take the green line?


I don't think any of the MBCR stops that run through Newton are closer than 1.5 miles to a Green Line station, other than Auburndale to Riverside.

Express Buses are a much more viable option to those Newton CR stops.
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Re: Increase Worcester service start-up date.

Postby Komarovsky » Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:16 pm

I'm with you EGE, this schedule still sucks. P523 actually takes 3 minutes longer than it used to because they can't figure out how to schedule P532 so it doesn't hold it up.

When they bother to add a new express or manage the existing ones to be time competitive with driving that will be news. Right now all this is the state saying "see, we added trains that stop west of framingham, we care about things west of Framingham."
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Re: Increase Worcester service start-up date.

Postby The EGE » Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:56 pm

The outbound looks a lot like the inbound. 2 midays and a late-night extended to Worcester.

novitiate wrote:
M&Eman wrote:Is there an infrastructure problem limiting the newton stops, or does MBTA prefer Newton residents take the green line?

The platforms are only on one side of the tracks; I imagine because they didn't expect them to last long after the Pike Extension was built.


Indeed. They're also low-level platforms which makes them slow. The ideal solution is to ADA them with an island platform and a passing track, but a passing track at the stations may require bridge reconstructions.

Komarovsky wrote:I'm with you EGE, this schedule still sucks. P523 actually takes 3 minutes longer than it used to because they can't figure out how to schedule P532 so it doesn't hold it up.

When they bother to add a new express or manage the existing ones to be time competitive with driving that will be news. Right now all this is the state saying "see, we added trains that stop west of framingham, we care about things west of Framingham."


They really need more equipment and more capacity, and then they can mess with the schedules in productive ways. New locomotives and coaches in the next year or so will make a big difference, as will getting Yawkey rebuilt with two platforms (and the second track reopened). So will removing the ridiculous speed restrictions near Worcester. But they really need the expensive fixes - raising those 7 low platforms, 2nd track through Beacon Park, and more space someday at South Station.

Honestly, though, the MBTA needs to think about how to mix up schedules, and how to efficiently move people. You can't run 1:41 locals at rush hour and expect to have people ride them. You run expresses and inner-belt locals. You think about doing skip-stop services to speed up the outer-belt stops - Caltrain's Baby Bullets have incredible ridership.

And if South Station expansion doesn't get funded soon enough, you maybe even think about turning trains at Back Bay. Hell, once you have enough locomotives and cars, take a short set (or two) and dedicate it to Newton/Wellesley service, freeing up your 7-car sets for the long-haul service.
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Re: Increase Worcester service start-up date.

Postby Komarovsky » Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:52 pm

I'm with you on the equipment constraints being the big limiting factor at the moment. Thankfully some ofthose infrastructure improvements are in the pipeline(double track, Yawkey) My main concert at the moment is the Hyundai-Rotem cars being so badly delayed. Right now it's not a huge problem because there is still a little space left on the current trains. Once the economy picks up things are going to start changing.

It seems like every week the globe real estate section has an article about how it's impossible to find anything inside 495 for under $400k. Once people start buying again, those housing prices are going to force people to start looking west along the Fitchburg and Worcester lines for something under that.

If the T doesn't have the equipment available to run new trains not only will they miss out on new riders, but they'll seriously limit the number of people who will want to buy out there. Fitchburg isn't in too bad of shape because they're getting the improvements that will allow them to fully take advantage of new capacity when it comes, but the Worcester line needs them as well to make train travel competative with driving.
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Re: Increase Worcester service start-up date.

Postby jamesinclair » Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:57 pm

The EGE wrote:And it looks pretty mediocre. They added NO new trains, only extended existing ones. The midday Worcester schedule is better; the Newton stops lose a midday trip but the timing is about the same. The big plus is that P538 and P540 got combined into the new late-night P540, freeing up P538 for a decent 9:30pm inbound from Worcester.

But the schedule, overall, still sucks. Only one morning train under 90 minutes (at 88 minutes) from Worcester. The Newton stops have no inbound service between 3:30pm and 1:00am. And they still cannot figure out how to run a freaking express.


The P538 and P540 was truly baffling. No idea how that lasted so long.

4 hours with no trains...and then two trains within 15 minutes after midnight...what?

The GREAT news is that Yawkey got added as a late night stop. Was idiotic to run that last train with F stops everywhere except Yawkey.

Sucks that nothing changed on weekends.


I live in New Jersey now and it really puts this poor schedule in perspective.
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