Silver Line (10 years of history) Discussion

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Silver Line (10 years of history) Discussion

Postby Teamdriver » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:03 am

From Boston.com ,17 picture slide show :

''The Silver Line recently turned 10 years old. Its fleet isn’t made up of trains like the three other MBTA lines. It consists of tunnel seeking, satellite communicating, traffic light changing, kiosk talking, two-section 60-foot-long vehicles powered by natural gas, electricity, and a diesel generator.

It's not the line that planners envisioned decades ago due to unforseen budgetary constraints. But it can only grow since it connects some of the oldest neighborhoods in Boston, like Roxbury, to some of its most burgeoning areas, like the Waterfront. Take a look at its history and recent developments.''
http://www.boston.com/yourtown/2012/08/ ... t=150&cp=1
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Re: Silver Line: 10 years of history, changes

Postby BostonUrbEx » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:21 am

"But it can only grow since it connects some of the oldest neighborhoods in Boston, like Roxbury, to some of its most burgeoning areas, like the Waterfront. Take a look at its history and recent developments.''

That's like saying the Orange Line connects Malden Center to Braintree. Or the 111 bus connects Chelsea to Heath/VA Medical Center. There's a transfer.
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Re: Silver Line: 10 years of history, changes

Postby Arborway » Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:37 am

Not one photo of the concrete that has been crumbling away to nothing for years without so much as a patch.
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Re: Silver Line: 10 years of history, changes

Postby Elcamo » Sun Aug 05, 2012 5:52 pm

How much would it cost the mbta to install platforms similar to these Image ? This would improve boarding times on the Silver Line, and make them a more attractive option than they currently are, especially along Washington Street.
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Re: Silver Line: 10 years of history, changes

Postby Elcamo » Sun Aug 05, 2012 5:53 pm

Sorry for the size of the image, not sure why it came out big
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Re: Silver Line: 10 years of history, changes

Postby CircusFreakGRITZ » Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:18 pm

Elcamo wrote:Sorry for the size of the image, not sure why it came out big

That's a really good idea.
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Re: Silver Line: 10 years of history, changes

Postby BigUglyCat » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:13 pm

Elcamo wrote:Sorry for the size of the image, not sure why it came out big

I thought it was fine. For USA, I'm thinking ADA, maybe one for unload and one for load. I hope that thing is ventilated well for the warm weather.
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Re: Silver Line: 10 years of history, changes

Postby jr145 » Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:37 am

The glass would be scratched to hell in a week if they installed those here.
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Re: Silver Line: 10 years of history, changes

Postby Elcamo » Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:42 pm

That station is from Curitiba, Brazil, so it must be pretty well ventilated. Scratching the glass is probably going to be an issue, as is installation of the things assuming they can't be made in modular pieces at a factory, and assembled quickly on site.
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Re: Silver Line: 10 years of history, changes

Postby CircusFreakGRITZ » Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:33 pm

BTW, does anyone know how the side door on that bus shelter actually opens when the bus arrives? Maybe the bus driver has a radio-controlled device that does it?
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Re: Silver Line: 10 years of history, changes

Postby Elcamo » Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:21 am

I *think* that it might be operated by the ticket collector at each station. I'm sure that it could be automated or controlled by bus driver's relatively easily. The only problem I see with the system in Curitiba is the cost of hiring ticket collectors at each station, although it could just run off of an automated ticket collector like the subway stations in Boston if the mbta chooses to implement something similar.
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Re: Silver Line: 10 years of history, changes

Postby BostonUrbEx » Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:31 am

The MBTA should pilot it at one stop in the South End or at the surface stop at South Station. Just one stop, see how it goes. People can freely board and alight from either door, assuming there will be two doors on the shelter. I imagine it could be rather wildly successful with minor adjustments.
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Re: Silver Line: 10 years of history, changes

Postby jamesinclair » Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:34 am

I lived in Curitiba so I can answer a few questions about it.

They are ADA accessible, one side of the tube are stairs, the other side has a wheelchair lift.

Each station is manned, but thats due to low labor costs + a job program. Each tube (as shown) has two turnstiles, one with an automated card scanner (like charlie card) and one with an agent that makes change. Obviously, the system can run without the agent.

Less popular stations have a single entrance/exit, most allow access on both sides, some have a double tube for 4 "doors"

Lengthwise is the same deal, some have a single entrance door (the two exit doors open outside the tube) some stations have the full 5 doors.

The grass wouldnt get scratched any more than the glass on bus windows or train windows gets scratched here. Or look at all the existing bus shelters.

They are not air conditioned or heated but both ends are open for ventilation.
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Re: Silver Line: 10 years of history, changes

Postby diburning » Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:05 am

Wouldn't these also work on the green line if they realigned the tracks so that every stop is a center platform? This would create a fare-paid area inside the gates, which will solve the fare evasion problem. The only thing they need to do is to put signs for operators to spot their trains (and make the doors on the platform a bit larger for a margin of error)
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Re: Silver Line: 10 years of history, changes

Postby ferroequinologist » Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:42 pm

diburning wrote:Wouldn't these also work on the green line if they realigned the tracks so that every stop is a center platform? This would create a fare-paid area inside the gates, which will solve the fare evasion problem. The only thing they need to do is to put signs for operators to spot their trains (and make the doors on the platform a bit larger for a margin of error)


That's a damn fine idea. The issue is that rebuilding every surface Green Line platform would be really expensive, especially since they'd have to move the tracks to account for the center platform, which would probably mean moving tracks at street crossings, which means tearing up streets as well. But there are definitely places it'd be easier.

The advantage would be that this could be done gradually to the stations which need the biggest dwell time improvements first and are set up well for it. Maybe starting with BU on the B, and Coolidge Corner on the C, the busier stations on the D, the E to Brigham Circle, then gradually filling in the other stations. It'd be a logical time to close some more of the ridiculously close B stations, so a smaller number would need the rebuilding.
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