T electrics on NEC?

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T electrics on NEC?

Postby NRGeep » Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:52 pm

Has this ever been seriously considered? Apologies if this has already been covered.
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Re: T electrics on NEC?

Postby DutchRailnut » Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:05 pm

MBTA is not interested in Electrics, since each and every train rotates via different lines to different terminals for specific servicing.
Electrics on NEC sets would hold these sets captive on NEC without getting to required servicing facilities.
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Re: T electrics on NEC?

Postby M&Eman » Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:25 pm

The only way this would happen is if Stoughton, Farimount, Needham and Franklin went under electrification programs and the T could create a decent-sized electric district.
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Re: T electrics on NEC?

Postby NRGeep » Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:19 pm

Got it. It probably wouldn't work to have a small electric T fleet just for the NEC and contract Amtrak to service them?
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Re: T electrics on NEC?

Postby AEM7AC920 » Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:49 pm

Search for MBTA electrics in the search bar you will see this has been beat to death before, and usually ends up locked.
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Re: T electrics on NEC?

Postby NRGeep » Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:48 pm

Ok, I'm done! Way down the road though, it would be surprising if the T wasn't running some kind of electrics on the NEC as the only constant is change....
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Re: T electrics on NEC?

Postby NH2060 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:49 am

While this will not be seriously considered for some time to come it really would be a good idea. However it would mostly benefit Amtrak by not having the Regionals and Acelas to work their way around the rather sluggish diesels. Now on the other hand an electric fleet would improve operations for Amtrak and the MBTA on a stretch of the NEC that's expected to reach capacity in the near future. Right now though it's a long ways off, especially considering that the T and the state of MA itself are more or less cash strapped.
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Re: T electrics on NEC?

Postby AEM7AC920 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:48 am

The diesels are not the problem even if we ran electrics the scheduling would be the only fix for that. You still have local trains making stops. If you are arriving into stops earlier because of better equipment, you still can't leave ahead of schedule.
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Re: T electrics on NEC?

Postby KEN PATRICK » Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:55 pm

the t is the state's largest consumer of electricity . our state has the highest electricity costs in the nation. cape wind windmills will add electicity at triple the current rate. why would the t want to exacerbate their losses by 'electifying' even more of their system? ken patrick
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Re: T electrics on NEC?

Postby NRGeep » Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:59 pm

KEN PATRICK wrote: cape wind windmills will add electicity at triple the current rate. why would the t want to exacerbate their losses by 'electifying' even more of their system? ken patrick


Currently, Big Oil recieves 40 billion a year in corporate welfare. When wind, solar and hydro/ocean current energy recieve their fair share of the pie in research and development funds, then we could see a huge decrease in electric rates.
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Re: T electrics on NEC?

Postby Rockingham Racer » Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:15 pm

DutchRailnut wrote:MBTA is not interested in Electrics, since each and every train rotates via different lines to different terminals for specific servicing.
Electrics on NEC sets would hold these sets captive on NEC without getting to required servicing facilities.


Dutch, perhaps you know there is a precedent for a commuter agency to have a single line using electics: it's Chicago's Metra Electric Division and it uses the IC's [now CN's]main line south from Randolph St. Station to University Park, about 30 miles or so south of Chicago [plus a couple of short branches of it as well]. I think the difference between Boston and Chicago is that Chicago's service on their line is much more intense than Boston's, and they have to run a lot more electric units than the T would on the NEC line to Wickford.
Perhaps if the branch lines off the NEC were electrified, it would be more operationally feasible for the T to have a captive bunch of equipment for those lines. And I don't think the T is interested in electrifying any of their own lines. "Requiescat in pace" ,then, for electric equipment for the MBTA.
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Re: T electrics on NEC?

Postby DutchRailnut » Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:38 am

I know what is done at other railroads, this however is MBTA and They are not interested in electrics.
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Re: T electrics on NEC?

Postby KEN PATRICK » Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:41 am

'big oil' follows the tax code. there is no $40bil hand-out. there is, however, federal waste propping up the 'green' jobs illusion. there is massachusetts political malfeasance in holding ne utilities/nstar merger hostage until they agreed to pay .20kwh ( about .06 todays market) for cape wind power rising to .32 in 2014. so much for 'reduction in electricity rates'. face it, there will be no 'green energy' savings. real ( cash)federal subsidies are needed to prop up economically flawed concepts. the mbta doesn't need more operating expense. ken patrick
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Re: T electrics on NEC?

Postby CSX Conductor » Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:58 pm

The MBTA can't afford to even think of electrifying the barnches. The only one that could be electrified would be the Dorchester Branch, because maybe, just maybe, Amtrak would help a little bit since it would serve as an alternate route during disruptions on The Corridor. As for the Stoughton, it's only a short distance, with no weekend service. The Needham branch has always been rumored to disappear and be replaced by an extension of The Orange Line.
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Re: T electrics on NEC?

Postby NRGeep » Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:51 am

KEN PATRICK wrote:'big oil' follows the tax code. there is no $40bil hand-out. there is, however, federal waste propping up the 'green' jobs illusion. there is massachusetts political malfeasance in holding ne utilities/nstar merger hostage until they agreed to pay .20kwh ( about .06 todays market) for cape wind power rising to .32 in 2014. so much for 'reduction in electricity rates'. face it, there will be no 'green energy' savings. real ( cash)federal subsidies are needed to prop up economically flawed concepts. the mbta doesn't need more operating expense. ken patrick


Call it a "tax break", a subsidy or fill in the blank, the reality is that little Big Oil is on the dole. "Rep Ryan's budget maintains his recent path of supporting Big Oil at the expense of the middle class." Makes Solyndra look like a weapon of mass distraction... http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/ ... g_oil.html
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