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Need help identifying Baltimore & Annapolis RR Station

Postby bmoretrain » Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:29 pm

Hey everyone,

I am trying to identify what Baltimore & Annapolis Railroad Station is in the photo I have linked too below. I believe that the tunnel that is pictured is the one that is near the Annapolis Road exit on the Baltimore and Washington Parkway. Any help would be really appreciated. Thanks

http://i.imgur.com/SXD7Y.jpg
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Re: Need help identifying Baltimore & Annapolis RR Station

Postby bmoretrain » Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:36 pm

Also I believe the picture was taken around 1936-1950. You can see a Texaco sign in the picture and the year they started using that design was 1936. The B&A ran until 1950.
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Re: Need help identifying Baltimore & Annapolis RR Station

Postby Sand Box John » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:30 pm

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I am trying to identify what Baltimore & Annapolis Railroad Station is in the photo I have linked too below. I believe that the tunnel that is pictured is the one that is near the Annapolis Road exit on the Baltimore and Washington Parkway. Any help would be really appreciated.


I can't tell you where it is, however your assumption that it near Annapolis Road and the Baltimore and Washington Parkway way off. The B&ARR entered Washington at what is now Martin Luther King Jr Highway and Eastern Avenue. It crossed Annapolis Road east of Lanham-SeaBrook between Forbes Boulevard and Glendale Road. The the right of Martin Luther King Jr Highway is the former right of way of the B&ARR.
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Re: Need help identifying Baltimore & Annapolis RR Station

Postby bmoretrain » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:46 pm

I didnt think this was a Train going into Washington but into Baltimore.

This http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=39 ... .2,,0,3.74 is the tunnel that I believe is in the picture.
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Re: Need help identifying Baltimore & Annapolis RR Station

Postby Mike Doughney » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:50 pm

In this street view http://g.co/maps/hpkbp the red car is roughly at the photographer's location. The portal of the tunnel is behind the trees, and the parkway cut is parallel to the tunnel and just to the photographer's right.
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Re: Need help identifying Baltimore & Annapolis RR Station

Postby polybalt » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:32 pm

bmoretrain wrote:Also I believe the picture was taken around 1936-1950. You can see a Texaco sign in the picture and the year they started using that design was 1936. The B&A ran until 1950.


The picture was probably taken in 1947 or earlier. The trolley wire visible above and to the right was the loop for the #17 streetcar line of Baltimore transit, which was abandoned in June, 1947

The streetcar loop is in the Baltimore City community of Westport. I checked an old offical guide and the only WB&A station near Westport is Westport, so that must be it. The Light Rail Westport stop is north and east of this location along the old Annapolis Short Line right-of-way. (The B&A used the ASL alignment south of Linthicum, but the WB&A north of there to Clifford's, including at Westport, then trackage rights on the B&O into Camden Station)
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Re: Need help identifying Baltimore & Annapolis RR Station

Postby mmi16 » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:44 pm

polybalt wrote:
bmoretrain wrote:Also I believe the picture was taken around 1936-1950. You can see a Texaco sign in the picture and the year they started using that design was 1936. The B&A ran until 1950.


The picture was probably taken in 1947 or earlier. The trolley wire visible above and to the right was the loop for the #17 streetcar line of Baltimore transit, which was abandoned in June, 1947

The streetcar loop is in the Baltimore City community of Westport. I checked an old offical guide and the only WB&A station near Westport is Westport, so that must be it. The Light Rail Westport stop is north and east of this location along the old Annapolis Short Line right-of-way. (The B&A used the ASL alignment south of Linthicum, but the WB&A north of there to Clifford's, including at Westport, then trackage rights on the B&O into Camden Station)


If the #17 trolley line was abandoned in 1947 this would have to be after that - in the picture one can still see the switch ties for a switch branching off the existing track to the left toward the road that parallels the railroad, in fact the frog for the switch is still in place for some reason - probably owned by the B&A.
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Re: Need help identifying Baltimore & Annapolis RR Station

Postby batown » Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:47 pm

The tunnel is indeed at the bw parkway and annapolis road (648); the tracks were originally for the WB&A; see similar picture on p 135 of Herbert Harwood's Baltimore Streetcars: The Postwar Years
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Re: Need help identifying Baltimore & Annapolis RR Station

Postby R,N, Nelson » Tue May 15, 2012 7:59 am

The station is at Westport, looking north. The track through the tunnels (there were two)and beyond to the B&O's South Baltimore Branch, was single tracked in 1935. This was primarily to give a wider clearance in the tunnels in order to permit B&O specials to Annapolis. The specials to Army- Navy games (Annapolis to Philadelphia) were the big ones. Also for a brief period in 1935 and 1936, specials to Bowie Racetrack, when operated by the B&O, operated through the tunnels.

From 1935 to 1950, B&A passenger trains continued on, with a connecting track to the B&O's South Baltimore Branch called Carrolls Jct, and then used the south siding of the B&O main, crossing over to the north side near Camden Station. This ended in February, 1950 when replaced by buses, with only B&A freight service remaining, which always interchanged with the B&O at Cliffords (actually at Baltimore Highlands on the B&A).

Prior to the end of the WB&A, this portion at Westport was double tracked, with no connection to the B&O at Carrolls Jct. The tunnel clearance was very tight, in fact, even some WB&A trailers were too wide. Prior to 1935, specials for Annapolis from both the B&O and PRR, used the WB&A's South Shore Division from Annapolis Jct and Odenton respectively, which when abandoned in 1935, required the modification at Westport and the building of the connecting track at Carrolls Jct.

The short siding off of the southbound track at Westrport was primarly used for M of W equipment when serving the tunnels.

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Re: Need help identifying Baltimore & Annapolis RR Station

Postby Nhrp5 » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:18 pm

I was reading the answer supplied by Norman. And he is absolutely right I live a couple of blocks from this old tunnel. The tunnel still remains it was walled up and doored by the city for storage but I believe they don't use it anymore. There is a couple of books on this line both out of print. Luckily I have both. The first one is The Baltimore Light Rail Then and Now. In this book it does show some old pictures of The Northern Central and The B&A and WB&A. The second I just purchased I got a deal on Amazon but this book does run over $100.00. But it is worth it. It is called Every Hour on the Hour. It is on the history of the B&A and WB&A lines. So any one interested in the history and photographs check them out. There was things I never knew about the lines. do these 2 should also answer any questions.
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Re: Need help identifying Baltimore & Annapolis RR Station

Postby scratchy » Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:40 pm

I've always wondered what would have happened had the Bw parkway not been built, and the ROW was still available when the light rail was built.
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