WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

Postby smallfire85 » Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:32 pm

YOLO wrote:Updates from Metro - resembles the R211s from NYC if you ask me


It's most likely cheaper to adapt an existing design than to create a new one from scratch. The R211s themselves have similar designs to London's new cars. I think it's the current design fad...
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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

Postby Sand Box John » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:17 am

I find this somewhat puzzling.

Metro has no plans to boost rush-hour service for years
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Preliminary Rail Fleet Plan (1.6 MB PDF file)

Base Order
248
Replacement of 248 2 and 3k cars based on current service and ridership levels and Silver Line Phase 2.

Options 1 - 2
TBD
Based on future ridership projections.
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Metro looks to buy version 2.0 of the 7K series cars

Postby davinp » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:07 am

Foregoing major new features, Metro looks to buy version 2.0 of the 7000-series cars

Metro’s older railcars will soon reach their end of useful life and need to be replaced, but the agency might buy fewer new ones in the future than they have now. Current ridership trends indicate that the need for more cars might not be there and that Metro has more cars now than they need — or want — to maintain.

Metro hopes to place an order for a new railcar series, the 8000s, sometime next year. In essence, the agency wants some more cars to replace the 2000/3000-series cars, but with few new major features which would separate them from the 7000s.

The agency appears to only be making incremental changes to the cars, instead of taking the opportunity to add big new features which could help the system

https://ggwash.org/view/67235/metro-rea ... 000-series
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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

Postby JDC » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:26 am

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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

Postby Chris Brown » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:17 pm

Looks like I was right about the USB ports.

To those who argued with me.. what do you have to say now?

Seems silly to plan the order based on today's ridership though. There is nothing more stupid than believing today's situation will last forever. Especially with all the growth in the DMV.
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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

Postby mtuandrew » Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:37 pm

Chris Brown wrote:Looks like I was right about the USB ports.

Waiting for the day that the 5VDC and 750VDC lines cross and a hundred iPhones go poof :P
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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

Postby Sand Box John » Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:58 pm

"Chris Brown"
Looks like I was right about the USB ports.

To those who argued with me.. what do you have to say now?


I see no logical reason to have them at all. You are not going to get a full charge like you would get if you charged your device overnight. They will likely end up being a low priority maintenance item when cars are needed to make up trains to fill the daily time sheet.

Seems silly to plan the order based on today's ridership though. There is nothing more stupid than believing today's situation will last forever. Especially with all the growth in the DMV.

That why I prefaced my post with "I find this somewhat puzzling."

You all know my thought on the subject of fleet size.
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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

Postby MCL1981 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:59 am

Chris Brown wrote:Looks like I was right about the USB ports.

To those who argued with me.. what do you have to say now?

Seems silly to plan the order based on today's ridership though. There is nothing more stupid than believing today's situation will last forever. Especially with all the growth in the DMV.

No, you were not "right". You expressed your opinion in favor of them. Many people expressed their opinion not in favor of them. Just because metro elected to install them does not mean your opinion or mine was right or wrong, because they're opinions. My opinion is still that they're stupid, and for all the same reasons I have already expressed and will not be retyping for you. Your opinion is still that they're not stupid, and you're entitled to that opinion too.
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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

Postby mtuandrew » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:18 pm

No need to argue. It doesn’t matter who guessed right, does it?

Besides, they’ll be stuffed with chewing gum soon enough.
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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

Postby JDC » Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:51 pm

Today, September 4, 2018, Metro officially announced that it was beginning its procurement of 8000-series railcars. I received a 'sneak preview' of the announcement with this URL via my membership in the "Amplify" community.

https://www.wmata.com/about/news/8000-series-railcar-procurement.cfm
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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

Postby KTHW » Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:34 pm

Is it possible the 8k series will begin production before or as 7k series finishes because of current mechanical/parts shortage issues? I would think it could be an easy transition for kawasaki
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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

Postby davinp » Tue Sep 04, 2018 5:40 pm

https://potomaclocal.com/2018/09/04/met ... rail-cars/

The 8000 series will replace the 2000/3000 series cars which are 35 years old. They were rebuilt about 15 years ago.
Metro does not need until they are 40 years old to retire them, the mistake they did the 1000 series which should have retired many years sooner.
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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

Postby davinp » Tue Sep 04, 2018 5:41 pm

KTHW wrote:Is it possible the 8k series will begin production before or as 7k series finishes because of current mechanical/parts shortage issues? I would think it could be an easy transition for kawasaki


Kawsaki may not be making the 7000 series. It depends who Metro awards the contract too.
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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

Postby YOLO » Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:53 pm

Man i'm going to miss the 6Ks if they go away
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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

Postby D40LF » Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:18 am

Question: If WMATA wants to ditch the 6ks early, would they have to prove to the FTA that it would be cheaper to buy news cars instead of rehabbing old ones?

KTHW wrote:Is it possible the 8k series will begin production before or as 7k series finishes because of current mechanical/parts shortage issues? I would think it could be an easy transition for kawasaki


I don't see any production work on 8000s being done until the early 2020s, so even with the current 7k problems, that probably wouldn't happen (and we don't know if Kawasaki will even get the contract).
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