MARC HHP-8

Discussion related to DC area passenger rail services from Northern Virginia to Baltimore, MD. Includes Light Rail and Baltimore Subway.

Moderators: Robert Paniagua, therock

Re: MARC HHP-8

Postby liftedjeep » Sun Nov 27, 2016 2:45 pm

MARC Holiday Extra #1054 northbound through Bridesburg on Sunday 11/27 with HHP-8 #4911 as power:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=4590805

Ben
Check out my photo collection! : http://bkranefeld.rrpicturearchives.net
User avatar
liftedjeep
 
Posts: 218
Joined: Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:58 pm
Location: Pennsauken, New Jersey

Re: MARC HHP-8

Postby STrRedWolf » Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:29 pm

I'm kinda surprised they got a hippo working reliably enough to do that job.
I ride the (MTA Maryland) Penn Line (between Odenton and Baltimore). I used to work for MTA Maryland's IT department, and out of professional courtesy my responses may be limited. Wikimapia is wonderful (for track/interlocking locations)!
User avatar
STrRedWolf
 
Posts: 676
Joined: Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:18 pm
Location: Baltimore, MD

Re: MARC HHP-8

Postby jackintosh11 » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:08 pm

Why didn't they put the café in the middle of the consist?
User avatar
jackintosh11
 
Posts: 970
Joined: Wed Jan 15, 2014 2:24 pm
Location: Philadelphia

Re: MARC HHP-8

Postby liftedjeep » Thu Dec 01, 2016 5:37 pm

jackintosh11 wrote:Why didn't they put the café in the middle of the consist?


If I had to guess, I'd say it was simply for ease of adding and removing the car from the consist. IF I had to guess....
Ben
Check out my photo collection! : http://bkranefeld.rrpicturearchives.net
User avatar
liftedjeep
 
Posts: 218
Joined: Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:58 pm
Location: Pennsauken, New Jersey

Re: MARC HHP-8

Postby STrRedWolf » Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:27 pm

liftedjeep wrote:
jackintosh11 wrote:Why didn't they put the café in the middle of the consist?


If I had to guess, I'd say it was simply for ease of adding and removing the car from the consist. IF I had to guess....
Ben


It's a good guess. In DC, all MARC trains have their engines (doesn't matter what type) as far away from the terminal as possible (mainly just to keep the diesel fumes out from the station, and since it's majority diesel push/pull, it's standard practice anyway). They probably had a diesel deliver an all MARC II series consist down from Riverside or the HHP-8 deliver them down from Martins State Airport, popped the engine, tacked on the diner, slapped the HHP-8 on, and ran with it on a Holiday run.
I ride the (MTA Maryland) Penn Line (between Odenton and Baltimore). I used to work for MTA Maryland's IT department, and out of professional courtesy my responses may be limited. Wikimapia is wonderful (for track/interlocking locations)!
User avatar
STrRedWolf
 
Posts: 676
Joined: Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:18 pm
Location: Baltimore, MD

Re: MARC HHP-8

Postby MACTRAXX » Sat Dec 03, 2016 4:20 pm

jackintosh11 wrote:Why didn't they put the café in the middle of the consist?


JT:

As a longtime watcher of Amtrak's Thanksgiving Holiday special trains I have seen Amcafe cars on
MARC train consists either on the rear or on the front of these trains - keep in mind they would
have to separate the consist to place a Cafe car in the center which is not necessary. Cafe cars
are used on MARC consists depending on their availability - I have seen MARC trainsets in Amtrak
service with and without a Cafe car assigned...

There is actually past precedence for placing an Amcafe car in the middle of a MARC consist -
Back when four 4 car push-pull trainsets were assigned to the Penn Line (second half of the
80s into the 90s thereabouts) what Amtrak would do is take two of these sets and place a
Cafe car in between to make a 9 car train which I thought was a clever use of equipment.

MACTRAXX
EXPRESS TRAIN TO NEW YORK PENN STATION-NO JAMAICA ON THIS TRAIN-PLEASE STAND CLEAR OF THE CLOSING TRAIN DOORS
MACTRAXX
 
Posts: 3447
Joined: Mon Feb 07, 2005 11:55 am
Location: Islandia,Long Island,NY

Re: MARC HHP-8

Postby jackintosh11 » Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:36 pm

Makes sense operationally, but I have to imagine sales would've been hurt because passengers wouldn't want to walk 6 cars (with manual sliding doors) to the cafe.
User avatar
jackintosh11
 
Posts: 970
Joined: Wed Jan 15, 2014 2:24 pm
Location: Philadelphia

Re: MARC HHP-8

Postby STrRedWolf » Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:46 pm

jackintosh11 wrote:Makes sense operationally, but I have to imagine sales would've been hurt because passengers wouldn't want to walk 6 cars (with manual sliding doors) to the cafe.


I kinda like the manual sliding doors because they locked closed, clicked to hold open when the train was stopped, never closed on you on it's own, and never needed HEP to operate. But I digress from the topic.
I ride the (MTA Maryland) Penn Line (between Odenton and Baltimore). I used to work for MTA Maryland's IT department, and out of professional courtesy my responses may be limited. Wikimapia is wonderful (for track/interlocking locations)!
User avatar
STrRedWolf
 
Posts: 676
Joined: Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:18 pm
Location: Baltimore, MD

Re: MARC HHP-8

Postby MCL1981 » Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:18 am

STrRedWolf wrote:I kinda like the manual sliding doors because they locked closed, clicked to hold open when the train was stopped, never closed on you on it's own, and never needed HEP to operate. But I digress from the topic.


In my experience, the manual sliding doors were like a chopping block. They would randomly slam closed on people all the time due to worn out latching mechanisms. Some would randomly slide open depending on what direction the curve was. We had the same cars with the same doors on the Shore Line East when I lived in CT. And they did the same thing there too. The new MARC 8000s filling out the Brunswick Line was the best thing that ever happened to my shoulders and arms...

The vestibule doors on the new 8000 series Bombardier MLVs work even without HEP. While we were disabled for hours a few weeks ago with a fuel leak outside Kensington, we were without HEP for hours. The batteries in the cars died after about 45 minutes. Leaving only the life safety lights and intercom working. The vestibule doors still worked. We just flipped all the switches to manual to keep them open because it got annoying.
MCL1981
 
Posts: 576
Joined: Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:23 am

Re: MARC HHP-8

Postby CNJGeep » Sat Dec 17, 2016 2:21 pm

jackintosh11 wrote:Makes sense operationally, but I have to imagine sales would've been hurt because passengers wouldn't want to walk 6 cars (with manual sliding doors) to the cafe.

The cafe is not in service on holiday extra trips. It provides extra seating and extra lavatory capacity, since only control cars and about five trailers have restrooms.
"Nobody wins unless everybody wins."
CNJGeep
 
Posts: 1460
Joined: Tue Feb 22, 2005 4:33 pm
Location: A Small Onion

Re: MARC HHP-8

Postby mtuandrew » Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:16 pm

As noted in the Amtrak HHP-8 thread:

STrRedWolf wrote:
gokeefe wrote:Apparently there will be a second act:

ApproachMedium wrote:The MARC unit is being redone. I dont think the MARCs are lease like the amtraks, somebody is footing the bill to replace the stuff inside with all new as I was told by a few sources they had one buried in the back of Martins airport shop for a while undergoing the transition. MARC is looking to expand service and add tracks in maryland so it would only make sense to maintain the electric fleet as the diesels will only be good as a replacement for the older diesels that are slow and the meatballs which were worthless for marc service.


Quite the surprise to say the least.


Not really. With BBD now running the equipment on the CSX lines for MTA Maryland, and maintaining the MARC fleet, getting their hands on the HHP-8s they built and getting a chance to improve them isn't out of the question. If BBD can make the hippos more reliable, then MARC will run them on the Penn line... or else they'll replace them with more Chargers (on top of the ones they ordered to replace the old AEM-7s).

Known stuff in the purchase order they had to go through Maryland Board of Public Works to get approval for.
User avatar
mtuandrew
 
Posts: 4080
Joined: Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:59 am
Location: the Manassas Gap Independent Line

Re: MARC HHP-8

Postby Backshophoss » Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:55 pm

Which MARC Hippo is getting the BBD "makeover"?? Which MARC Hippo's are in service on a regular basis?
Backshophoss
 
Posts: 4575
Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:58 pm

Re: MARC HHP-8

Postby STrRedWolf » Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:01 am

Backshophoss wrote:Which MARC Hippo is getting the BBD "makeover"?? Which MARC Hippo's are in service on a regular basis?


I saw 4912 out on the line this past week, so that 1 out of the 6.
I ride the (MTA Maryland) Penn Line (between Odenton and Baltimore). I used to work for MTA Maryland's IT department, and out of professional courtesy my responses may be limited. Wikimapia is wonderful (for track/interlocking locations)!
User avatar
STrRedWolf
 
Posts: 676
Joined: Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:18 pm
Location: Baltimore, MD

Re: MARC HHP-8

Postby STrRedWolf » Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:31 pm

Today's sighting is 4915. So that's two.
I ride the (MTA Maryland) Penn Line (between Odenton and Baltimore). I used to work for MTA Maryland's IT department, and out of professional courtesy my responses may be limited. Wikimapia is wonderful (for track/interlocking locations)!
User avatar
STrRedWolf
 
Posts: 676
Joined: Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:18 pm
Location: Baltimore, MD

Re: MARC HHP-8

Postby liftedjeep » Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:20 pm

STrRedWolf wrote:Today's sighting is 4915. So that's two.


Hey Mr Wolf,
Are the HHP-8s you're seeing actually in revenue service, or sidelined someplace?
Ben
Check out my photo collection! : http://bkranefeld.rrpicturearchives.net
User avatar
liftedjeep
 
Posts: 218
Joined: Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:58 pm
Location: Pennsauken, New Jersey

PreviousNext

Return to DC - Maryland - Virginia Area Passenger Rail: MTA(MARC), VRE, WMATA(Metro)

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest