Smart Technology to Collect Fares

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Re: Smart Technology to Collect Fares

Postby truck6018 » Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:36 am

On Memorial Day, another conductor reported missing about 200 fares on a train from the Hamptons, writing that the "... train became completely packed. When doors opened people almost fell out."


How is this going to be prevented with the train crews having credit card readers? If the train is too full to collect tickets, having readers won't help either.


Head-end View wrote:Let me get this straight...............LIRR is about to start testing similar hand-held devices to what is already in use by conductors on Metro-North? A conductor friend of mine was using that last summer and told me it has to be charged every day, using a charger in the crew room at Grand Central.


Do you mean the handheld TIM's (ticket issue machines)or TIM's with credit card readers? While MNR has used the TIM's for quite a number of years, MNR is not using the credit card readers in the TIM's unless there is some pilot program in place with a handful of conductors. Even though the TIM's are regular procedure, there have been times that the conductors have had to use the duplex tickets.
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Re: Smart Technology to Collect Fares

Postby srock68 » Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:39 am

Either way, it sure seems a lot of Conductors will be furloughed.
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Re: Smart Technology to Collect Fares

Postby Amtrak7 » Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:51 pm

For Mineola and other stations where the platform is used as a pedestrian bridge access path, using a pathway with turnstiles/fencing on either side would probably be the best way.

I hope they're smart enough not to gate in stations east of Zone 10, as the travel times between stops are long enough to collect cards/process credit card tickets.

But since LIRR has TVM's at all stations, it's a lot easier than SEPTA's one way fare proposal.
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Re: Smart Technology to Collect Fares

Postby hammerfang » Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:59 pm

the times they are a changing
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Re: Smart Technology to Collect Fares

Postby Head-end View » Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:24 pm

6018, sorry I didn't realize we might be talking about 2 different types of hand-held devices.
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Re: Smart Technology to Collect Fares

Postby eon2won1 » Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:17 pm

srock68 wrote:Either way, it sure seems a lot of Conductors will be furloughed.


How do you figure?
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Re: Smart Technology to Collect Fares

Postby CTG » Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:31 am

I can't see a platform gating approach working on the LIRR. POP seems far more likely -- but then again, the LIRR / MTA have a long history of doing things their own way when there is an "off the shelf" solution available.

How long would it take to unload a train at a station like Oceanside during the rush hour (especially when there are 2 or 4 cars hanging off the rear) if the passengers can't easily exit the platform and instead have to go through a gate one-by-one.
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Re: Smart Technology to Collect Fares

Postby SwingMan » Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:12 am

Let alone the fact that they'd have to deal with last minute gate jumpers..
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Re: Smart Technology to Collect Fares

Postby Amtrak7 » Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:45 pm

CTG wrote:I can't see a platform gating approach working on the LIRR. POP seems far more likely -- but then again, the LIRR / MTA have a long history of doing things their own way when there is an "off the shelf" solution available.

How long would it take to unload a train at a station like Oceanside during the rush hour (especially when there are 2 or 4 cars hanging off the rear) if the passengers can't easily exit the platform and instead have to go through a gate one-by-one.


More gates, or use higher-tech gates like PATCO which deter turnstile jumping without the slow throughput of HEET's.
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Re: Smart Technology to Collect Fares

Postby num1hendrickfan » Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:24 pm

Amtrak7 wrote:For Mineola and other stations where the platform is used as a pedestrian bridge access path, using a pathway with turnstiles/fencing on either side would probably be the best way.


I would assume as much. The question I have, is how to avoid a setup that prevents pedestrians ( not riding the train ) from utilizing the bridge and platform crossing ( especially without being charged train fare ). We who work or reside in Mineola have every right to utilize that bridge, free of charge ( given it's the only safe ADA compliant crossing over the tracks ).

All I want is assurance that this particular crossing not be blocked to non-commuters.
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Re: Smart Technology to Collect Fares

Postby keithsy » Tue Apr 19, 2011 5:15 pm

ICG used turnstiles when I was in grammar school. This hand method of fare collection is archaic. Many trainmen are proficient at it. I admired them. Let's face it: manual collection of money is archaic and dangerous.
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Re: Smart Technology to Collect Fares

Postby srock68 » Tue Apr 19, 2011 6:23 pm

eon,

Wouldn't there be less of a need for Conductors/Collectors? Don't get me wrong, I hope it never happens being that I would be one of the Conductors laid off, it just seems the Company wouldn't need as many of us.
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Re: Smart Technology to Collect Fares

Postby LongIslandTool » Tue Apr 19, 2011 8:45 pm

They would need about 430 trainmen, none qualified.

This, of course would depend on a whole lot of things happening.
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Re: Smart Technology to Collect Fares

Postby srock68 » Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:06 pm

Tool,

430 unqualified trainmen in addition to over 1000 qualified conductors?
So, the RR would have to hire more trainmen. I thought we were in danger of losing trainmen since the SMART card would do the collecting for us.
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Re: Smart Technology to Collect Fares

Postby zoltran » Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:23 pm

no he means they would only need 430 if they made it like the subway
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