DutchRailnut wrote:you guys do understand that New Haven equipment does NOT fit into ESA tunnels right ???
Head-end View wrote:So let me get this straight.......... The Pennsy's planners over a hundred years ago had the foresight to design the East River Tunnels high enough so eventually several generations of LIRR bi-level cars and cars & loco's with pantographs could fit thru them; but the MTA's planners of the 1960's were so shortsighted that they couldn't envision ever running anything taller than an M-1 thru the East Side Access/63rd St. Tunnel?
Sorry to say that's about what I'd expect from a successful private enterprise vs. a government agency. Imagine if the MTA was running Microsoft or Apple? Still though, the MTA is a smarter agency than Boston's MBTA or Phila's SEPTA.
Great Britain has (in general) the most restrictive loading gauge (relative to track gauge) in the world. This is a legacy of the British railway network being the world's oldest, and having been built by a plethora of different private companies, each with different standards for the width and height of trains. After the nationalisation a standard static gauge W5 was defined in 1951 that would virtually fit everywhere in the network.
Head-end View wrote:So there were engineering reasons why the LIRR tunnel couldn't be any higher; I get it. But today it seems ludicrous that they won't be able to ever run bi-level trains thru it like the older East River Tunnels. And it limits LIRR's Grand Central Line forever and ever to single level cars. A real shame.
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