LIRR Business Car "Manhattan"

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LIRR Business Car "Manhattan"

Postby REM3Night » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:06 pm

I'm trying to find information on the "Manhattan." The only photo that I'm aware of is in Steel Rails p 297. The same photo has appeared in other books but I have never seen any other shots.

The car was built by Jackson and Sharp. The J&S collection is in the Delaware State archives but I have not found a usable index to see if they have additional information.
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Re: LIRR Busines Car Manhattan

Postby LongIslandTool » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:36 pm

Jackson & Sharp? How old was that thing?
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Re: LIRR Busines Car Manhattan

Postby REM3Night » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:51 pm

The "Private" car Manhattan was built for LIRR President Austin Corbin by Jackson and Sharp in 1885.

The American Railroad Passenger Car by John White (Pg 352-354) describes the Manhattan as "one of the best cars ever built up to that time". "The Munich-lake-color sides were emblazoned with rich gilt decorations".

Corbin purchased the Oriental from Pullman in 1889. This car ended up on the L&N and is now preserved at the Adarondack Museum at Blue Mountain Lake, near Lake George. A partial photo is in Mansions on Rails by Lucius Beebe, pg 81.

Several modeler friends and I would like to build a model of one or both of these cars.
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Re: LIRR Busines Car Manhattan

Postby Otto Vondrak » Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:04 pm

REM3Night wrote:Corbin purchased the Oriental from Pullman in 1889. This car ended up on the L&N and is now preserved at the Adarondack Museum at Blue Mountain Lake, near Lake George.


The Adirondack Museum is not really near Lake George (it's about an hour and a half from Lake George). I know that the L&N car they have on display there was rebuilt from an earlier wooden car, didn't know it was LIRR heritage. It's quite an interesting car to walk through.

http://www.adkmuseum.org/exhibits_and_e ... tail/?id=6

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Re: LIRR Business Car "Manhattan"

Postby REM3Night » Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:19 pm

"near" Lake George was my attempt to give my fellow Long Islanders a way to find Blue Mountain Lake on a map. Relative to Long Island, Blue Mountain Lake is "near" Lake George. When I was in college in Indiana and I told my fellow students that I was from Long Island, NY - they would then tell me that their cousin lived in Albany, Buffalo, even New Jersey and then ask me if I knew them. Once to everyone's disbelief I actually had met his cousin from NJ.

As I said LIRR president Austin Corbin owned the Manhattan and later purchased the Oriental. Upon his death the Oriental went to August Belmont whom, among other things, was chairman of the board of the L&N. I believe that the Oriental name came from Corbin's Oriental Hotel (Brooklyn, NY). There is an artist's version (Howard Fog) of the Oriental (in L&N Blue and gold livery) on pg 172 in Mansions on Rails and the "original" with its very eligant railing is on pg 81.

Drifting from the topic a little - Belmont also owned a private car that ran on the NYC subways - it is in a museum in CT.
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Re: LIRR Business Car "Manhattan"

Postby diffusedmind » Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:45 pm

REM3Night wrote:Drifting from the topic a little - Belmont also owned a private car that ran on the NYC subways - it is in a museum in CT.


The Mineola. It's at the Shore Line Trolley Museum.
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Re: LIRR Business Car "Manhattan"

Postby REM3Night » Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:04 am

Thanks, after a long day my I couldn't remember its name.
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Re: LIRR Business Car "Manhattan"

Postby CarterB » Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:58 am

Anyone have photos they can post of either the Manhattan or the Oriental?
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Re: LIRR Business Car "Manhattan"

Postby robertwa » Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:52 pm

I only have pictures of the Mineola from a few years ago

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Re: LIRR Business Car "Manhattan"

Postby CarterB » Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:12 pm

Those J & S business cars must have been opulent for the times.
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