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Double decker interior shots

Postby nyandw » Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:54 am

http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/odds_e ... c.1950.jpg Photos are 1950's.

Perhaps others have photos to add...
Wayne Martin, Islip High Class '68 wrote this... Very nicely fits the first photo!
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Re: Double decker interior shots

Postby newkirk » Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:24 am

Enjoy !
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Re: Double decker interior shots

Postby newkirk » Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:50 am

Here's some more. The last one's a killer !
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Re: Double decker interior shots

Postby DutchRailnut » Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:55 am

in today's rail jargon they would not be called double deckers as there is no second floor/deck.
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Re: Double decker interior shots

Postby tomdoyle409 » Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:06 pm

I can't recall the exact count, but at some point in the mid-60's a good number of the double deckers were modernized. Improvements included new HVAC, windows, lighting and interiors. I believe that 1305 was one of these updated cars. My recollection is that they were pretty sharp.
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Re: Double decker interior shots

Postby Kelly&Kelly » Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:04 pm

I know of one car that was fully rebuilt with new air conditioning and M-1 upholstery seats, painted platinum mist (silver gray) with a blue stripe. This was in anticipation of keeping them after the first order of Budd M-1's arrived. The rebuilding cost was astronomical, and the Railroad used the cost to successfully lobby for funding the second order of (GE-built) M-1's. That was the end of the double deckers. Other double deckers may have been rebuilt, but not the the level of this one. Only one was painted silver.

Of course, there were three different classes of the double deck cars. The prototype (#200, built in 1932) and one were shorter than the rest and were built before WWII. After the lapse during wartime, Alcoa built the remainder of them which were longer than the original two. The cars were entirely constructed of aluminum and electrolysis with some steel rivets posed some problems with the prototype cars. The photos above show subtle interior differences in the classes.

Coach cleaners hated the cars, and swept the lower compartment garbage under the steps. Trainmen disliked them because of the bending and reaching up and down to service tickets. Guys could sit in the lower levels and peek under women's dresses. Guys liked that.

The Railroad later adopted 3/2 seating which gave a conventional coach the equivalent seating in subsequent 1950's Wyer and 1960's Zip car orders.
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Re: Double decker interior shots

Postby nyandw » Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:47 pm

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Special blue striped double decker at Yard D, Jamaica c.1958 (Maywald-Boland)
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Re: Double decker interior shots

Postby newkirk » Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:30 am

Some more.
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Re: Double decker interior shots

Postby NaugyRR » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:30 am

It seems like seating capacity would be lost in this arrangement, no?

Slightly off-topic, but may be of interest, back in my MSTS days I learned of a British EMU with a very similar setup. See... http://dart75.tripod.com/ddpics.htm
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Re: Double decker interior shots

Postby R36 Combine Coach » Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:28 pm

Kelly&Kelly wrote:The rebuilding cost was astronomical, and the Railroad used the cost to successfully lobby for funding the second order of (GE-built) M-1's. That was the end of the double deckers.
The option order of M-1s was intended to replace the MP72/75s and convert them into diesel coaches.
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Re: Double decker interior shots

Postby nyandw » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:00 pm

Good stuff folks, thank you!
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Re: Double decker interior shots

Postby trainspot » Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:28 pm

Kelly&Kelly wrote:I know of one car that was fully rebuilt with new air conditioning and M-1 upholstery seats, painted platinum mist (silver gray) with a blue stripe. This was in anticipation of keeping them after the first order of Budd M-1's arrived. The rebuilding cost was astronomical, and the Railroad used the cost to successfully lobby for funding the second order of (GE-built) M-1's. That was the end of the double deckers. Other double deckers may have been rebuilt, but not the the level of this one. Only one was painted silver.


That was the 1346. I wondered what the interior looked like, and the ones with the orange stripe & tinted windows, like the 1305. Nice photos!
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Re: Double decker interior shots

Postby Kelly&Kelly » Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:52 pm

If my memory's correct, the one rebuilt in platinum mist and blue had MTA seating, with upholstery in the same fabric as the M-1's with M-1 seat bolsters and Formica wallboard with the NYS seal. It also had new air conditioning and some new stainless interior trim. The ones that were "refurbished" earlier simply were repainted and had new vinyl floor tiles and tinted window glazing to replace the shades.
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Re: Double decker interior shots

Postby workextra » Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:19 am

Looking back over the years, was it a wise decision to replace perfectly good MUs specifically the zips with the M1s
If they knew they were looking to get rid of these MUS why rebuilt them? The crews hated he MP70s or so I was told by some of those who worked them.
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Re: Double decker interior shots

Postby Kelly&Kelly » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:03 pm

The single double decker that was rebuilt was a demonstration of how the car could be upgraded if the fleet was to be retained. It may have actually been done to disprove the feasibility of keeping them, because the cost was so high. I don't know for sure what was the actual intent.
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