[PHOTO] RDC Fan Trip Location & Date Needed

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Re: [PHOTO] RDC Fan Trip Location & Date Needed

Postby scopelliti » Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:00 am

Also on that page is a photo of an RDC pulling a T-54 coach (left side, right in the middle of the page). Seems like I read that this violated the warranty requirements of the RDCs - true?
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Re: [PHOTO] RDC Fan Trip Location & Date Needed

Postby RGlueck » Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:55 am

Absolutely true! As soon as a now Budd RDC was coupled to a Budd Car, the warranty was done - finished- kaput!
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Re: [PHOTO] RDC Fan Trip Location & Date Needed

Postby newkirk » Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:08 pm

RGlueck wrote:Absolutely true! As soon as a now Budd RDC was coupled to a Budd Car, the warranty was done - finished- kaput!


Since the Budd Co. was located in Pennsylvania, how did they find out about the breach of warranty ?

Perhaps a snitch in the LIRR ?
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Re: [PHOTO] RDC Fan Trip Location & Date Needed

Postby nyandw » Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:22 pm

scopelliti wrote:Also on that page is a photo of an RDC pulling a T-54 coach (left side, right in the middle of the page). Seems like I read that this violated the warranty requirements of the RDCs - true?


Yes, that's the culprit.
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Re: [PHOTO] RDC Fan Trip Location & Date Needed

Postby RGlueck » Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:59 pm

"Captain Kirk, that's right, the warranty's dead, Jim."

I was once told that Budd had there finger on the pulse of every railroad that purchased Budd Cars. They studied publications and even spot checked. Personally, I think they had "rogue operatives" conducting interrogations, but that's unsubstantiated.
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Re: [PHOTO] RDC Fan Trip Location & Date Needed

Postby nyandw » Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:23 pm

"Caught in the act" photo 1955! And later "on the Scoot" 1963 (top photo) :-)
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Budd RDCs 1 & 2 heading eastbound past Underwood Fuel with RPO car in tow, approaching River Avenue crossing, Patchogue, NY. - 4/6/63 Photo: Wm. Lichtenstern Archive: Dave Keller
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Re: [PHOTO] RDC Fan Trip Location & Date Needed

Postby BuddR32 » Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:02 am

I read the link about the engineer killed in that wreck. It happened on this date coincidentally in 1967. Rest his soul.

I can see why they felt unsafe, there’s really nothing to the cab structure to protect the engineer in a crash.
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Re: [PHOTO] RDC Fan Trip Location & Date Needed

Postby newkirk » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:33 pm

BuddR32 wrote:I read the link about the engineer killed in that wreck. It happened on this date coincidentally in 1967. Rest his soul.
I can see why they felt unsafe, there’s really nothing to the cab structure to protect the engineer in a crash.


Maybe that's why FA and F used cabs instead of a cab car for push-pull operation
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Re: [PHOTO] RDC Fan Trip Location & Date Needed

Postby scopelliti » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:34 pm

Also why the LIRR ran the Alcos long hood forward. BTW this topic just cost me a couple of hundred bucks.. just ordered a Rapido HO Scale RDC-2 (with DCC and sound). Aleady got the T-54 to tow behind :-D
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Re: [PHOTO] RDC Fan Trip Location & Date Needed

Postby ExCon90 » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:56 pm

... and why the PRR redesigned the P5a many years ago. Slow progress on the learning curve here, it would seem.
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Re: [PHOTO] RDC Fan Trip Location & Date Needed

Postby nyandw » Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:26 pm

scopelliti wrote:Also why the LIRR ran the Alcos long hood forward. BTW this topic just cost me a couple of hundred bucks.. just ordered a Rapido HO Scale RDC-2 (with DCC and sound). Aleady got the T-54 to tow behind :-D
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Re: [PHOTO] RDC Fan Trip Location & Date Needed

Postby ConstanceR46 » Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:42 pm

Doubt it, Newkirk- the M3 and M1 pretty much were cab-cars (Not off the shelf, but same design principles).
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Re: [PHOTO] RDC Fan Trip Location & Date Needed

Postby Nasadowsk » Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:31 am

BuddR32 wrote:I read the link about the engineer killed in that wreck. It happened on this date coincidentally in 1967. Rest his soul.

I can see why they felt unsafe, there’s really nothing to the cab structure to protect the engineer in a crash.


Given the alloys of the day, all else being equal, I'd take my chances in a Budd than an MP-54.

Why the US still trails the rest of the world in cab car design is beyond me - I doubt a US design cab car would even be legal in most of the world, it's standard now to have an impact structure in front of the cab, which is why they all have that 'aerodynamic' look - that's where the attenuation occurs. Nobody really cares about aerodynamics when you top out at 60-90mph.
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Re: [PHOTO] RDC Fan Trip Location & Date Needed

Postby vince » Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:20 am

In watching cabride videos from all over the world I note that most RR's employ full four quadrant gate systems to protect their engineer / drivers from road vehicles that run around the half assed gates used in the United States.

Operation Safety be dammed. The effing railroads are NOT interested in safety, only in company profits. And a PR campaign with pretty logo's and safety 'classes' are a lot cheaper than installing the proper protection at grade crossings.

And just how much is a human life worth? Twenty percent higher cost for full quadrant gates is not that much of a cost protecting train crews AND the public idiots who seem to enjoy putting lives at risk.

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Re: [PHOTO] RDC Fan Trip Location & Date Needed

Postby BM6569 » Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:05 am

Looks like this was another RDC fan trip?

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