[PHOTO] What The M-7 Was Originally Supposed To Look Like

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Re: [PHOTO] What The M-7 Was Originally Supposed To Look Lik

Postby MattAmity90 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:14 pm

In this case commuters simply wanted a futuristic and modern railcar. They didn't want a new railcar that had the look of something old. If people looked at that design they probably said, "Great, we have a new railcar to kick of the new millennium but it has a Flintstones look, and we don't want Flintstones, we want Jetsons." The M7 has a different shape obviously, and the railcar has the look of 21st-century train. If you think about it, the M7/M9's are more aerodynamic and have that Jetsons look, the look of 2001: A Space Odyssey (the car went into service in October 2002).
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Re: [PHOTO] What The M-7 Was Originally Supposed To Look Lik

Postby Head-end View » Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:14 pm

Seems to me the M-1 thru M-6 was more aerodynamic with its rounded end. :wink:
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Re: [PHOTO] What The M-7 Was Originally Supposed To Look Lik

Postby DutchRailnut » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:06 pm

no matter how streamlined you make front end, each opening between cars creates about as much drag as parachute.
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Re: [PHOTO] What The M-7 Was Originally Supposed To Look Lik

Postby ConstanceR46 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:41 pm

The Metropolitan design reeked of 1960s by 2000, the front design may have aged well but it's not timeless.
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Re: [PHOTO] What The M-7 Was Originally Supposed To Look Lik

Postby mp15ac » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:10 am

I'm curious as to why they never designed the M-1 through M-9 with diaphragms on the cab ends of the cars. Considering that the C-3 cab cars have diaphragms and the amount of between car traffic you would think they would have them on the MU's.

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Re: [PHOTO] What The M-7 Was Originally Supposed To Look Lik

Postby DutchRailnut » Sun Sep 23, 2018 3:06 pm

people are not supposed to move from car to car , only within a pair as both cars have all a passenger needs .
you want diaphragms for those that can not comply with conductors instructions or announcements ?
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Re: [PHOTO] What The M-7 Was Originally Supposed To Look Lik

Postby Crabman1130 » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:08 pm

DutchRailnut wrote:people are not supposed to move from car to car , only within a pair as both cars have all a passenger needs .
you want diaphragms for those that can not comply with conductors instructions or announcements ?

What about stations with short platforms where only the first few cars platform. People are instructed to move to those cars.
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Re: [PHOTO] What The M-7 Was Originally Supposed To Look Lik

Postby DutchRailnut » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:55 pm

they are also told at boarding and during ticket control , but most are dumb enough to wait till last minute .
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Re: [PHOTO] What The M-7 Was Originally Supposed To Look Lik

Postby Kelly&Kelly » Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:09 pm

The M-1's were delivered with F-End safety chains (actually cables) and canvas shrouds that were stowed in a tall compartment with twist latches in the Fiberglas front on the side of the end door hinge. These provided safety for passengers walking between cars.

After many of the shrouds were ripped off by inattentive yard crews drilling cars, they were replaced with immobile curved stainless grab irons. Replacement end caps were manufactured without the compartments and eventually few of the originals remained.

The M-3's were delivered with the same vertical compartment and hatch but nothing was inside it.

Here's LIRR MofE's George Winters checking out the front of a derailed M-1 in Babylon Yard with the shroud... Gonna be a long nite. From the excellent TrainsAreFun Web site:
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Re: [PHOTO] What The M-7 Was Originally Supposed To Look Lik

Postby Head-end View » Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:34 pm

Dutch, the fact remains that as per crew instructions over the PA, passengers are instructed to move between pairs to get to the right car to de-board. Therefore movement between pairs is officially permitted by the railroad and the question about diaphragms being needed was in order.
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