ex-LIRR C420 #212 history

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ex-LIRR C420 #212 history

Postby nyandw » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:48 pm

Anyone with info regarding LIRR C420 #212 after leaving the LIRR? I was trying to determine the history and if this model paint scheme is valid. Thanks folks.
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Re: ex-LIRR C420 #212 history

Postby Crabman1130 » Sun Sep 09, 2018 7:41 am

Yes it is. The person that weathered that model posted a picture of it in D&H on Facebook.
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Re: ex-LIRR C420 #212 history

Postby Teutobergerwald » Mon Sep 10, 2018 2:00 pm

Yeah, that's legitimate. The Delaware & Hudson leased several of the C420s in 1977 after the LIRR returned them to the lessor.
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Re: ex-LIRR C420 #212 history

Postby scottychaos » Mon Sep 10, 2018 2:47 pm

Not the greatest pic, but there is a photo of D&H 212 here:

http://www.trainboard.com/highball/inde ... 420.20038/

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Re: ex-LIRR C420 #212 history

Postby RGlueck » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:14 am

FWIW, I have a spare unpainted ALCO Models LIRR version in brass, I'd be willing to sell for $125 + shipping. It does have some speckles from the decayed packing foam on the surface.
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Re: ex-LIRR C420 #212 history

Postby scopelliti » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:27 am

RGlueck wrote:FWIW, I have a spare unpainted ALCO Models LIRR version in brass, I'd be willing to sell for $125 + shipping. It does have some speckles from the decayed packing foam on the surface.

I've got enough but someone may ask L1 or L2?
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Re: ex-LIRR C420 #212 history

Postby milepost39 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:46 am

Teutobergerwald wrote:Yeah, that's legitimate. The Delaware & Hudson leased several of the C420s in 1977 after the LIRR returned them to the lessor.


Interesting, and the photos are neat too. How long did they last in D&H service? I'm thinking not long before being sold to Mexico?

Was the LIRR's preference for running Long hood forward (hold over from RS-2/3 and FM H16 days) what prevented them from opting for the low hood version of the C-420?
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Re: ex-LIRR C420 #212 history

Postby scottychaos » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:17 am

milepost39 wrote:
Teutobergerwald wrote: How long did they last in D&H service? I'm thinking not long before being sold to Mexico?



The Bridge Line Historical Society says January 1977 to December 1977:

http://dhbridgeline.org/blhs/c420.html

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Re: ex-LIRR C420 #212 history

Postby alcoAL » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:45 am

I found this photo:

http://www.railpictures.net/photo/17516/

milepost39: the LIRR went with the high hood C420 for the steam generator.
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Re: ex-LIRR C420 #212 history

Postby scopelliti » Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:06 pm

The long hood was much safer in grade crossing accidents. And I was told folks would hang bricks from overpasses, so the long hood certainly made for a much smaller "target".
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Re: ex-LIRR C420 #212 history

Postby docsteve » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:55 pm

What they said.

The short hood housed the steam generator; to avoid boiling the engine crew in a grade crossing misshap the control stand was installed with the long hood as the "F" end. As the rest of the world was going short hoods forward, I was told the unions wanted the collision protection viz-a-visit the steam generator.

Of course they ran short hood forward on the Babylon -- Patchogue scoot.

The last of the steam-era passenger power had the steam generator at the coupler end of the long hood: e.g. U-28CG, SDP-40/45, etc.
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Re: ex-LIRR C420 #212 history

Postby Teutobergerwald » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:56 pm

Was 212 the L2 that was derailed when the switch for Pilgrim State was tampered with by vandals in, I believe, the early '70s?
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Re: ex-LIRR C420 #212 history

Postby MACTRAXX » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:38 pm

Teutobergwald: #201 was the locomotive in the 1971 Pilgrim State siding wreck. MACTRAXX
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Re: ex-LIRR C420 #212 history

Postby scopelliti » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:59 pm

The C-420 L-1 models were #200 through #221
The C-420 L-2 models were #222 through #229

The major visual difference between the L-1 and L-2 being the trucks. See Steve's excellent C-420 roster page.
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Re: ex-LIRR C420 #212 history

Postby nyandw » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:25 pm

Thanks guys for keeping this going as I explore the ex-C420s after leaving the LIRR. It appears we have #200-219 at the D&H. More to come. :-)
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